From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 1 07:47:49 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:46:37 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA28979 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:46:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA15775; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:45:08 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id HAA08095; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:42:23 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id HAA22514 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:37:01 -0800 Received: from corr.doc.state.vt.us ([159.105.102.20]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA12523 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:35:38 -0800 Received: from doc.state.vt.us (ntw7.doc.state.vt.us [159.105.102.63]) by corr.doc.state.vt.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05073 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:34:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36640C91.9690E6C8@doc.state.vt.us> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:34:41 -0500 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Mark Duggan To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: SCO 4.2 and rimapd MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN My organization uses two versions of the SCO OS i.e. Openserver 5.x and SCO 4.2. Our mailserver, running 5.x acts as a imap server to both 5.x and 4.2 machines. I've compiled binaries for both OS versions. So here's the problem - Clients on any 5.x machines can successfully pre-authenticate, using the rimapd method, while clients on any 4.2 machine cannot. On the 4.2 machines I've tested the user equivalency using the command: rcmd imapserver exec /etc/rimapd (NOTE: On SCO rcmd is the equivalent to rsh) This gives the a clean "PREAUTH .... server ready" prompt as expected. Another curiosity is that if I take the 4.2 pine binary and run it on a 5.x machine, pre-authentication works fine. (4.2 binaries will run on 5.x but not vice-versa.) So the problem is not either with the imap server or the binary itself but something to do with the environment on the 4.2 machine. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Mark Duggan ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Tue Dec 1 14:28:31 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:28:31 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id OAA24487 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:28:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id OAA26048; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:28:21 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id OAA21563; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:25:45 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id OAA17228 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:23:18 -0800 Received: from eis-msg-012.jpl.nasa.gov (eis-msg-012.jpl.nasa.gov [137.78.160.195]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id OAA05908 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:23:17 -0800 Received: from psdg.jpl.nasa.gov by eis-msg-012.jpl.nasa.gov; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:23:15 -0800 Received: by psdg.jpl.nasa.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA02955; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:23:15 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:23:13 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Chuck Goodhart To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Unnecessary output from "update_titlebar_message" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: ceg@psdg.jpl.nasa.gov X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN The routine "update_titlebar_message" (lines 1289-1343 of screen.c in pine4.05/pine) performs a "StartInverse/EndInverse" pair even if there is no output between them. This unnecessary output prevents my demand-dialed link from going idle. The following patch corrects the problem: --- pine4.05/pine/screen.c.orig Wed Sep 23 11:56:43 1998 +++ pine4.05/pine/screen.c Mon Nov 30 20:51:28 1998 @@ -1304,6 +1304,9 @@ if(as.cur_mess_col < 0) return; + if(mn_get_cur(as.msgmap) == as.current_msg) + return; + delta = digit_count(mn_get_cur(as.msgmap)) - digit_count(as.current_msg); StartInverse(); @@ -1330,7 +1333,7 @@ as.del_column += delta; } } - else if(mn_get_cur(as.msgmap) != as.current_msg){ + else { as.current_msg = mn_get_cur(as.msgmap); PutLine0(0, as.cur_mess_col, comatose(as.current_msg)); } -- Chuck Goodhart ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 2 10:02:05 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:02:05 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA11692 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:02:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA11915; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:01:58 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id JAA26088; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:58:13 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id JAA29606 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:55:29 -0800 Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA30041 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:55:28 -0800 Received: from bulldog.unca.edu (smskinne@bulldog.unca.edu [152.18.64.9]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA01329 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:55:21 -0800 Received: from localhost (smskinne@localhost) by bulldog.unca.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA29686 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:55:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:55:18 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Stephanie Michelle Skinner To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: quota MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: pine-info@cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN hi. i am writing from unc-asheville pine system. when i log on, it says i have exceeded my quota and need to delete some files. however, i have deleted everything i know of: my incoming files, my sent mail, and all of my other folders. what am i not doing? thanks! stephanie "SMALL1DER" :) ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 2 10:37:19 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:37:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA24638 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:37:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA02336; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:37:10 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id KAA22929; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:34:26 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id KAA11082 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:16:19 -0800 Received: from kens.com (kens.com [209.70.169.2]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA16345 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:16:19 -0800 Received: from kens.com (kens.com [209.70.169.2]) by kens.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA22692; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:16:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:16:19 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ken Woods To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: quota In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Stephanie Michelle Skinner X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN man du exit pine, and type du -k | more Look for something that has a big number on the left side, and if you don't need it, delete it. If du -k |more doesn't reveal anything, then try this: cd ls -la Look in the center of the screen, for something with big numbers. Don't need it, delete it. If all fails, call the help desk at UNC. (sigh, this makes up for my posts to cmp, doesn't it???) On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, Stephanie Michelle Skinner wrote: > hi. i am writing from unc-asheville pine system. when i log on, it says > i have exceeded my quota and need to delete some files. however, i have > deleted everything i know of: my incoming files, my sent mail, and all > of my other folders. what am i not doing? thanks! stephanie -- Ken Woods kwoods@kens.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 2 10:40:42 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:40:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA24013 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:40:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA02410; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:40:28 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id KAA27487; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:37:36 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id KAA19886 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:23:56 -0800 Received: from chinet.com (lagnaf-1.soho.enteract.com [216.80.30.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA17448 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:23:55 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA01450 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:23:46 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:23:46 -0600 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: quota In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: Stephanie Michelle Skinner >Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:55:18 -0500 (EST) >hi. i am writing from unc-asheville pine system. when i log on, it says i >have exceeded my quota and need to delete some files. however, i have >deleted everything i know of: my incoming files, my sent mail, and all of >my other folders. what am i not doing? You are not asking in the right place. We cannot help you on this mailing list; you must ask your system administrator. You must also use capital letters at the beginning of sentences. Jeeze. Assuming you are on a Unix system, the command "ls -a" will list all the files in the particular directory, including hidden files that begin with ".". Perhaps you had a session that crashed, resulting in a core dump. You may have a file called "core" taking up all that space. Delete it. "ls -al" will list all files, together with their length. For more information, ask for help from your own system. No one on this mailing list can help you; all we can do is guess. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 2 10:42:41 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:42:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA22541 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:42:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA02465; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:42:32 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id KAA02982; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:39:28 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id KAA25274 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:28:29 -0800 Received: from bulldog.unca.edu (smskinne@bulldog.unca.edu [152.18.64.9]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA02206 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:28:28 -0800 Received: from localhost (smskinne@localhost) by bulldog.unca.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA08577; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:28:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:28:22 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Stephanie Michelle Skinner To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: quota In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Ken Woods X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN i typed in du -k|more and then it went to a prompt of stdin:end what do i type in to go delete the things i found? i cant get to them to delete them! ha! thanks for all of your help. stephanie "SMALL1DER" :) On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, Ken Woods wrote: > man du > > exit pine, and type du -k | more > > Look for something that has a big number on the left side, and if you > don't need it, delete it. > > > If du -k |more doesn't reveal anything, then try this: > > cd > ls -la > > Look in the center of the screen, for something with big numbers. > Don't need it, delete it. > > If all fails, call the help desk at UNC. > > > (sigh, this makes up for my posts to cmp, doesn't it???) > > On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, Stephanie Michelle Skinner wrote: > > > hi. i am writing from unc-asheville pine system. when i log on, it says > > i have exceeded my quota and need to delete some files. however, i have > > deleted everything i know of: my incoming files, my sent mail, and all > > of my other folders. what am i not doing? thanks! stephanie > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@kens.com > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 2 10:44:04 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:44:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA24950 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:44:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA02485; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:43:49 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id KAA10557; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:41:53 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id KAA22438 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:39:58 -0800 Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA19770 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:39:58 -0800 Received: from localhost (mcope@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27300 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:39:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:39:56 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Michael Thomas Cope To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: quota In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, Stephanie Michelle Skinner wrote: > hi. i am writing from unc-asheville pine system. when i log on, it says i > have exceeded my quota and need to delete some files. however, i have > deleted everything i know of: my incoming files, my sent mail, and all of > my other folders. what am i not doing? thanks! > stephanie This is a good question for your local system administrators since it has to do with the _system_ quota, not any pine quota. If you have shell access, try the following (% stands for command prompt) % cd ~ % du * The listing that shows up should show the sizes of all files and subdirectories. Look for big numbers and delete things you don't need. You probably also have files in an incoming mail directory. -- Michael Cope: Harvey Mudd College '00; Armand Hammer UWC '96 E-mail: Michael_Cope@hmc.edu From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Wed Dec 2 11:17:08 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:17:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA24089 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:17:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA03335; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:16:55 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id LAA25416; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:14:07 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id LAA28236 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:12:22 -0800 Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA24791 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:12:21 -0800 Received: from localhost (mcope@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09640 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:12:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:12:20 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Michael Thomas Cope To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: quota In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, Stephanie Michelle Skinner wrote: > i typed in du -k|more and then it went to a prompt of stdin:end > what do i type in to go delete the things i found? i cant get to them to > delete them! ha! thanks for all of your help. stephanie > > "SMALL1DER" :) > You have to quit more by pressing Ctrl-C or q Then you can delete the files with (% is shell prompt) % rm filename #deletes file % rm -r directoryname #deletes entire directory and all subdirectory BE CAREFUL. There is no undelete in Unix If you want to be safer, try % mv filename /tmp or % mv directoryname /tmp then % cd /tmp % rm filename or % rm -r directoryname If you made a mistake in moving the file you can move it back with % cd /tmp % mv filename ~ -- Michael Cope: Harvey Mudd College '00; Armand Hammer UWC '96 E-mail: Michael_Cope@hmc.edu From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 3 06:59:08 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:59:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id GAA12158 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:59:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id GAA18284; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:59:00 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id GAA24100; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:57:21 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id GAA18054 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:55:03 -0800 Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id GAA03524 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:55:03 -0800 Received: from taxa.psyc.missouri.edu (taxa.psyc.missouri.edu [128.206.45.83]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with SMTP id GAA28526 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:55:00 -0800 Received: from localhost by taxa.psyc.missouri.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA01579; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:54:00 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:54:00 -0600 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Mike Miller To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: re: quota In-Reply-To: <199812030804.AAA07656@lists5.u.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: PINE-INFO list X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 Ken Woods wrote: > If all fails, call the help desk at UNC. > (sigh, this makes up for my posts to cmp, doesn't it???) Actually, I've learned to enjoy your style. I was hoping you'd tear her ass off! You were so nice that she wrote back! Mike -- Michael B. Miller University of Missouri--Columbia http://taxa.psyc.missouri.edu/~mbmiller/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 3 07:05:27 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:05:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA31054 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:05:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA28707; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:05:20 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id HAA06952; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:03:48 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id HAA32334 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:02:11 -0800 Received: from kens.com (kens.com [209.70.169.2]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA25046 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 07:02:06 -0800 Received: from kens.com (kens.com [209.70.169.2]) by kens.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA01781; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:01:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:01:58 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ken Woods To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: re: quota In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Mike Miller X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Dunno what was wrong with me yesterday. Rest assured, it won't happen again. Thanks go out to Robin/Adam for getting me back on track. On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Mike Miller wrote: > On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 Ken Woods wrote: > > > If all fails, call the help desk at UNC. > > (sigh, this makes up for my posts to cmp, doesn't it???) > > Actually, I've learned to enjoy your style. I was hoping you'd tear her > ass off! You were so nice that she wrote back! > > Mike > > -- > Michael B. Miller > University of Missouri--Columbia > http://taxa.psyc.missouri.edu/~mbmiller/ > > -- Ken Woods kwoods@kens.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 3 10:31:41 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:31:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA16632 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA23124; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:31:29 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id KAA25034; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:22:44 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id JAA16126 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:07:55 -0800 Received: from bulldog.unca.edu (smskinne@bulldog.unca.edu [152.18.64.9]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA07762 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:07:50 -0800 Received: from localhost (smskinne@localhost) by bulldog.unca.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA01737 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:07:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:07:51 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Stephanie Michelle Skinner To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: re: quota In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN problem solved! thanx for all your help yesterday.... too bad some of you think i am nice enough to say mean things about. what is that all about? all i did was ask for help! so, i guess thanx for nothin! stephanie "SMALL1DER" :) On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Ken Woods wrote: > > Dunno what was wrong with me yesterday. > Rest assured, it won't happen again. > > Thanks go out to Robin/Adam for getting me back on track. > > > > > On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Mike Miller wrote: > > > On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 Ken Woods wrote: > > > > > If all fails, call the help desk at UNC. > > > (sigh, this makes up for my posts to cmp, doesn't it???) > > > > Actually, I've learned to enjoy your style. I was hoping you'd tear her > > ass off! You were so nice that she wrote back! > > > > Mike > > > > -- > > Michael B. Miller > > University of Missouri--Columbia > > http://taxa.psyc.missouri.edu/~mbmiller/ > > > > > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@kens.com > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Thu Dec 3 10:37:45 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:37:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA09452 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA03816; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:37:37 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id KAA02943; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:32:03 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id KAA13484 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:26:47 -0800 Received: from nimbus.anzio.com (ras@nimbus.anzio.com [204.201.253.34]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA02489 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:26:46 -0800 Received: from localhost (ras@localhost) by nimbus.anzio.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26554; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:24:38 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:24:38 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Bob Rasmussen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: re: quota In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Stephanie Michelle Skinner X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Stephanie Michelle Skinner wrote: > problem solved! thanx for all your help yesterday.... > too bad some of you think i am nice enough to say mean things about. what > is that all about? all i did was ask for help! so, i guess thanx for > nothin! > stephanie Yes, this list contains certain misfits who feel entitled, even obligated, to attack anyone who dares wander into their dragon's lair without having first achieved the necessary levels of wizardliness. Blow them off! Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com or sales@anzio.com or support@anzio.com ftp://ftp.anzio.com voice: 503-624-0360 http://www.anzio.com fax: 503-624-0760 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 4 11:05:21 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:05:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA20778 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:05:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA20947; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:05:13 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id LAA25489; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:03:35 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id LAA26424 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:00:41 -0800 Received: from tilmax.tatainfotech.co.in (tilmax.tatainfotech.co.in [202.54.16.130]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA11385 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:00:35 -0800 Received: from seepzmail.in.tatainfotech.com (163-122-3222.unisys.com [163.122.32.22]) by tilmax.tatainfotech.co.in (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA27208 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 00:18:41 +0530 Received: from seepzmail by seepzmail.in.tatainfotech.com (8.6.10/SMI-4.1) id TAA23308; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:01:33 GMT Message-Id: Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 00:31:33 +0530 (IST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Nayan Jain To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: PC PINE Problem ! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: nayan.jain@seepzmail X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi all I have tried installing PC-PINE but i am getting some error messages while setting up. If anyone of you can help me with this then i will be very thankful to him/er. Please dont crib about it here. Thanks, Earlier i used to logon to my mailserver and then i used to check my emails. Now i want to set up my mails on PC. Here are the configuration setting for PINE 3.96 on UNIX personal-name = Nayan Jain user-domain = smtp-server = inbox-path = folder-collections = default-fcc = default-saved-msg-folder = postponed-folder = signature-file = global-address-book = address-book = and the server where we used to telnet and open our account was aaa.bbb.cc.dd (this is an IP address actually) Now when i try to install PC - PINE then it asked me for following parameters and i put these details. these setting are for PC-PINE 4.05 personal-name = Nayan Jain user-id = nayan.jain user-domain = tatainfotech.com smtp-server = 127.0.0.1 inbox-path = default-fcc = default-saved-msg-folder = postponed-folder = signature-file = I am getting error when i try to open my inbox / send mail it says that cannot find host 127.0.0.1 Even if i put aaa.bbb.cc.dd it says the same thing. what should i put here and how ? I will be very thankful to you if you can help me Thanks Nayan ...! "Those of you who think you know everything are very annoying to those of us who do." ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 4 11:30:45 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:30:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA30710 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:30:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA21302; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:30:38 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id LAA15889; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:29:12 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id LAA38708 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:28:02 -0800 Received: from kens.com (kens.com [209.70.169.2]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA15515 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:27:52 -0800 Received: from kens.com (kens.com [209.70.169.2]) by kens.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA13589; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:27:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:27:14 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ken Woods To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PC PINE Problem ! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Nayan Jain X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sat, 5 Dec 1998, Nayan Jain wrote: > Earlier i used to logon to my mailserver and then i used to check my > emails. Now i want to set up my mails on PC. > > Here are the configuration setting for PINE 3.96 on UNIX > personal-name = Nayan Jain > user-domain = > smtp-server = Oh, and becuase it's thesame program it MUst be set up the same, right? *sigh* luser. > Now when i try to install PC - PINE then it asked me for following > parameters and i put these details. these setting are for PC-PINE 4.05 > personal-name = Nayan Jain > user-id = nayan.jain > user-domain = tatainfotech.com > smtp-server = 127.0.0.1 Replace the 127.0.0.1 with bgate.tatainfotech.com BTW, you've used your one stupid question. Don't ask any more. > I am getting error when i try to open my inbox / send mail > it says that cannot find host 127.0.0.1 Duh. Imagine that. -- Ken Woods kwoods@kens.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 4 13:59:26 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:59:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA31839 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:59:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA23553; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:59:18 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id NAA22577; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:57:57 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id NAA15958 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:56:24 -0800 Received: from euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca (cpu1671.adsl.bellglobal.com [206.47.27.152]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA08290 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:56:23 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02334; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:54:02 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:54:02 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: yashy@euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Yasholomew Yashinski To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PC PINE Problem ! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Ken Woods X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Ken Woods wrote: > Oh, and becuase it's thesame program it MUst be set up the same, right? > *sigh* > luser. Calling names, I guess this is just to show your hrm.. maturity? Last I checked, this list was for people with pine problems, not those with such low self-esteem they have to result in insults. > Replace the 127.0.0.1 with bgate.tatainfotech.com OMG. You can actually be useful. > BTW, you've used your one stupid question. > Don't ask any more. If it is pine related, and I can help him, he can ask any he wants too. I still haven't found your name under the admin list of this list. > > I am getting error when i try to open my inbox / send mail > > it says that cannot find host 127.0.0.1 > Duh. > Imagine that. I guess because you have heard of loopback, everyone with a Unix account should have as well. > Ken Woods Maybe you should have stayed there. Yash City In a World without Walls and Fences ... Who needs Windows and Gates ?! From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 4 14:34:03 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:34:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id OAA08962 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:34:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id OAA13898; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:33:55 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id OAA05790; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:32:40 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id OAA18240 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:31:24 -0800 Received: from tilmax.tatainfotech.co.in (tilmax.tatainfotech.co.in [202.54.16.130]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id OAA08978 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:31:12 -0800 Received: from seepzmail.in.tatainfotech.com (163-122-3222.unisys.com [163.122.32.22]) by tilmax.tatainfotech.co.in (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA00462 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 03:49:08 +0530 Received: from seepzmail by seepzmail.in.tatainfotech.com (8.6.10/SMI-4.1) id WAA26129; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:32:12 GMT Message-Id: Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 04:02:12 +0530 (IST) Reply-To: Nayan Jain Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Nayan Jain To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: PC PINE Problem ! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: nayan.jain@seepzmail X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi all Thanks for all ur help...but i was not able to correct the error and make PC-PINE run. Here i a, again giving you details. Whenever you execute pine for first time it asks for all details regarding config. here is what i gave. Before that i would like to tell you settings regarding pine 3.96 on unix. Earlier i used to login to our compnay mail server aaa.bbb.cc.dd as user "nayan.jain" and then on unix command prompt gave pine command and was in my mails. these were the settings... personal-name = Nayan Jain user-domain = smtp-server = inbox-path = folder-collections = default-fcc = default-saved-msg-folder = postponed-folder = signature-file = global-address-book = address-book = server address aaa.bbb.cc.dd (this is an IP address actually) Now settings i gave at time of installing PINE 4.05 User-id for From address :nayan.jain Personal name for From address : Nayan Jain Host/domain for From address : bgate.tatainfotech.com SMTP server to forward message :aaa.bbb.cc.dd then it tried to send mail to pine centre for updation. but it was not able to send mail. Also when i tried to get into inbox,m it gives this error :- No inbox! Folder to open as inbox : here then i gave my UNIX based PINE's inbox path {aaa.bbb.cc.dd}/usr/mail/nayan.jain It tried to open the inbox, but then gave this error:- [Host not found (#11001): aaa.bbb.cc.dd] well, please tell me what am i missing here...? current pinerc settings ... personal-name = Nayan Jain user-id = nayan.jain user-domain = bgate.tatainfotech.com smtp-server = aaa.bbb.cc.dd nntp-server = inbox-path = {aaa.bbb.cc.dd}/usr/mail/nayan.jain Before you misunderstand me....aaa.bbb.cc.dd is actually an IP address I will be very thankful to you if you can help me Thanks Nayan ...! "Those of you who think you know everything are very annoying to those of us who do." ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Fri Dec 4 19:46:08 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:46:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id TAA01707 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:46:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id TAA27713; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:46:01 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id TAA27362; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:45:00 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id TAA12894 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:43:47 -0800 Received: from kens.com (kens.com [209.70.169.2]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id TAA11118 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:43:47 -0800 Received: from kens.com (kens.com [209.70.169.2]) by kens.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA16678 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:43:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:43:50 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: Ken Woods Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ken Woods To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PC PINE Problem ! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Yasholomew Yashinski wrote: > On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Ken Woods wrote: > > Oh, and becuase it's thesame program it MUst be set up the same, right? > > *sigh* > > luser. > Calling names, I guess this is just to show your hrm.. maturity? Admit it, that's a luser way of thinking. You do know what a luser is, don't you??? > Last I checked, this list was for people with pine problems, > not those with such low self-esteem they have to result in insults. Looks to me like you didn't check. > > Replace the 127.0.0.1 with bgate.tatainfotech.com > OMG. You can actually be useful. LOL, only if the people listen. Did you see that the guy did NOT do what I said?? And people wonder why I'm a BOFH. > > BTW, you've used your one stupid question. > > Don't ask any more. > If it is pine related, and I can help him, he can ask any he wants too. > I still haven't found your name under the admin list of this list. No, it's not. Again, it's painfully obvious that you have not read what this list is about either. The list is not for stupid problems like this guy is having. This list is for TECHNICAL discussions. > > > I am getting error when i try to open my inbox / send mail > > > it says that cannot find host 127.0.0.1 > > Duh. > > Imagine that. > I guess because you have heard of loopback, everyone with a Unix account > should have as well. Sure. > > Ken Woods > Maybe you should have stayed there. You were talking about being mature??? -- Ken Woods kwoods@kens.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 5 07:01:02 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 07:01:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA25457 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 07:01:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA01842; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 07:00:22 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id GAA27910; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 06:59:31 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id GAA32038 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 06:58:00 -0800 Received: from indigo.cs.bgu.ac.il (indigo.cs.bgu.ac.il [132.72.42.23]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with SMTP id GAA16241 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 06:57:57 -0800 Received: from ts013p10.tlv.netvision.net.il (ts013p10.tlv.netvision.net.il [199.203.200.246]) by indigo.cs.bgu.ac.il (8.6.9/8.6.10) with ESMTP id QAA13390 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:57:51 +0200 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:56:14 +0200 (Jerusalem Standard Time) Reply-To: Elad Eyal Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Elad Eyal To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Farewell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Attribution: EE X-X-Sender: elad@indigo.cs.bgu.ac.il X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Good morning, It comes a time when a man realizes the errs of his ways. For me this moment has just arrived. I've been reading the pine-info (and trying to do my modest contribution) for a while now, and more than learning about pine I've learnt about pine-indo writers: fubar. For an excessively long time, I've been getting junk mail from the list in amounts and quality resembling Microsoft help files. Never-ending mail wars about - BEHOLD - signature length. Gosh. Flaming every poor bastard who had the nerve to send the wrong message to the wrong personnel. People. do get a life. And if that's too much for you, then at least take some abridged course in common courtesy. Please. I know what you're gonna say, in that polite, neat way of yours. You don't have to read it if you don't want to. Well, I'm not gonna to. I'm unsubscribing from the Pine Disgustionn Forum, finally. It's too bad a very rotten apples makes the dish bad. Enjoy yourselfs, lads. On my part, if ever I need someone abused, I'll ask him to mail pine-info@u.wash. _ (_ / _ / ( E-mail pigeons nest in binary trees ) (__/__(/\_(/ http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~elad ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 5 11:53:01 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:53:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA27037 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:53:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA23024; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:52:54 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id LAA23066; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:51:25 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id LAA28570 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:48:27 -0800 Received: from luomat.peak.org (port-18-ts1-gnv.da.fdt.net [209.212.132.177]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA20156 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 11:48:25 -0800 Message-Id: <199812051948.OAA06846@ocalhost> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:48:00 -0500 Reply-To: public+Lists\/Unix\/Pine@fdt.net Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Timothy J Luoma To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Farewell In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 X-To: Elad Eyal X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Image-URL: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/luomat@peak.org.tiff X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Author: Elad Eyal Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:56:14 +0200 (Jerusalem Standard Time) ID: > I've been reading the pine-info (and trying to do my modest > contribution) for a while now, and more than learning about pine I've > learnt about pine-indo writers: fubar. Why do people feel the need to announce their comings and goings? Does that have anything to do with the purpose of this list? I don't see a single post from you in the previous two months.... that's pretty modest. May I draw your attention to the stated purpose of this list? The electronic mailing list Pine-Info covers features, bugs & workarounds, usage, installation, customization and more pertaining to the Pine software. While unmoderated, it is intended primarily for discussion of matters of interest to systems/email administrators, developers, trainers, user support personnel, and others involved with Pine messaging on a "technical" level. _Technical_ doesn't mean quotas, or random tag lines or any of the other stuff that has been popular around here lately. If there were some actual technical questions going around, there might be some more use to this list. TjL From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sat Dec 5 15:25:20 1998 -0800 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:25:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id PAA26830 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:25:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id PAA04384; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:25:13 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id PAA28228; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:24:33 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id PAA32724 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:22:44 -0800 Received: from bulldog.unca.edu (smskinne@bulldog.unca.edu [152.18.64.9]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id PAA28690 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:22:39 -0800 Received: from localhost (smskinne@localhost) by bulldog.unca.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA18164; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:22:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:22:41 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: Stephanie Michelle Skinner Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Stephanie Michelle Skinner To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PC PINE Problem ! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Ken Woods X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN OKAY! ALL OF YOU COMPUTER GENIOUS ASSHOLES NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT SOME OF US DONT KNOW WHERE TO ASK QUESTIONS EXCEPT WHERE WE ARE TOLD TO ASK QUESTIONS. YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION SO, WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM! GET OFF OF YOUR BIG ASS POWER TRIP AND REALIZE THAT SOME OF US DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO EXCEPT ASK FOR HELP. THOSE OF US WHO ARE NOT BLESSED W/ COMPUTER KNOWLEDGE ONLY KNOW TO ASK FOR HELP SO....SORRY IF WE DIDNT ASK FOR YOUR BLESSED OPINION! TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR PERSONALITY AND REALIZE THAT AT LEAST US LITTLE ONES KNOW HOW TO TYPE AND US LITTLE ONES MUST LOOK FOR HELP WHERE HELP IS LISTED. GO KISS YOUR OWN ASS AT 6:30 AT NIGHT AND HAVE A DATE WITH YOUR COMPUTER CAUSE THATS ALL YOU GOT!!!!!!! YEAH, SO GLAD YOU KNOW YOUR COMPUTER! "SMALL1DER" :) On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Ken Woods wrote: > On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Yasholomew Yashinski wrote: > > On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Ken Woods wrote: > > > Oh, and becuase it's thesame program it MUst be set up the same, right? > > > *sigh* > > > luser. > > Calling names, I guess this is just to show your hrm.. maturity? > > Admit it, that's a luser way of thinking. > You do know what a luser is, don't you??? > > > Last I checked, this list was for people with pine problems, > > not those with such low self-esteem they have to result in insults. > > Looks to me like you didn't check. > > > > Replace the 127.0.0.1 with bgate.tatainfotech.com > > OMG. You can actually be useful. > > LOL, only if the people listen. > Did you see that the guy did NOT do what I said?? > And people wonder why I'm a BOFH. > > > > BTW, you've used your one stupid question. > > > Don't ask any more. > > If it is pine related, and I can help him, he can ask any he wants too. > > I still haven't found your name under the admin list of this list. > > No, it's not. > Again, it's painfully obvious that you have not read what this list is > about either. The list is not for stupid problems like this guy is having. > This list is for TECHNICAL discussions. > > > > > I am getting error when i try to open my inbox / send mail > > > > it says that cannot find host 127.0.0.1 > > > Duh. > > > Imagine that. > > I guess because you have heard of loopback, everyone with a Unix account > > should have as well. > > Sure. > > > > Ken Woods > > Maybe you should have stayed there. > > You were talking about being mature??? > > -- > Ken Woods > kwoods@kens.com > > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:33:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id PAA15395 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:33:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id PAA24201; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:33:47 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id PAA28494; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:31:13 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id PAA16100 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:29:44 -0800 Received: from bulldog.unca.edu (smskinne@bulldog.unca.edu [152.18.64.9]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id PAA01904 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:29:44 -0800 Received: from localhost (smskinne@localhost) by bulldog.unca.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA01308; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:29:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:29:41 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Stephanie Michelle Skinner To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Farewell In-Reply-To: <199812051948.OAA06846@ocalhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: public+Lists/Unix/Pine@fdt.net X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN SORRY SOME OF US ARE NOT "SMART" AS YOU ARE SMART ASS! GET A GRIP AND REALIZE THAT YOU ARE NOT THE SHIT! WE ARE ONLY ASKING FOR HELP. JUST TELL US YOU CANT HELP! DONT BELITTLE US! ASSHOLES! AND YES, I AM CALLING NAMES B/C YOU INSECURE BASTARDS DONT KNOW HOW TO STEP UP AND RECOGNIZE THAT SOME PEOPLE FOLLOW DIRECTIONS THEY ARE GIVEN! I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE SOOOOOO SMART ON THE COMPUTER: GLAD THATS ALL YOU'LL BE FUCKIN TONIGHT! STEPHANIE "SMALL1DER" :) On Sat, 5 Dec 1998, Timothy J Luoma wrote: > Author: Elad Eyal > Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:56:14 +0200 (Jerusalem Standard Time) > ID: > > > I've been reading the pine-info (and trying to do my modest > > contribution) for a while now, and more than learning about pine I've > > learnt about pine-indo writers: fubar. > > Why do people feel the need to announce their comings and goings? > > Does that have anything to do with the purpose of this list? I don't see a > single post from you in the previous two months.... that's pretty modest. > > May I draw your attention to the stated purpose of this list? > > The electronic mailing list Pine-Info covers features, bugs > & workarounds, usage, installation, customization and more > pertaining to the Pine software. While unmoderated, it is > intended primarily for discussion of matters of interest > to systems/email administrators, developers, trainers, user > support personnel, and others involved with Pine messaging > on a "technical" level. > > _Technical_ doesn't mean quotas, or random tag lines or any of the other > stuff that has been popular around here lately. > > If there were some actual technical questions going around, there might be > some more use to this list. > > TjL > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:05:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA25879 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:05:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA24391; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:05:07 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id QAA04466; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:01:22 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id PAA19982 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:59:33 -0800 Received: from kens.com (kens.com [209.70.169.2]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id PAA14015 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:59:32 -0800 Received: from kens.com (kens.com [209.70.169.2]) by kens.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA23827; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:59:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:59:34 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: Ken Woods Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ken Woods To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Farewell In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Shoeless in San Jose X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sat, 5 Dec 1998, Shoeless in San Jose wrote: > where *should* the new users go to have their 'non-technical' questions > answered? One of several places: http://www.washington.edu/pine/index.html http://www.kens.com/robin/pine.html http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/pine/ http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine/ comp.mail.pine -- Ken Woods kwoods@kens.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:11:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA28201 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:11:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA04631; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:11:28 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id PAA28922; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:50:45 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id PAA32556 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:49:14 -0800 Received: from mole.slip.net (mole.slip.net [207.171.193.16]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id PAA30272 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:49:09 -0800 Received: from [207.171.193.17] (helo=slip-3 ident=batchman) by mole.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zmRRm-0000KG-00 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:49:10 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:49:02 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Shoeless in San Jose To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Farewell In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: batchman@slip-3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sat, 5 Dec 1998, Timothy J Luoma wrote: > Why do people feel the need to announce their comings and goings? Maybe because they're so thoroughly disgusted with the whole situation that they're making a (probably feeble, knowing several of you) attempt to get you folks to wake up and help...not ridicule. > Does that have anything to do with the purpose of this list? I don't > see a single post from you in the previous two months.... that's > pretty modest. Some of us don't post regularly...rather, we help people outside the newsgroup as it's too much of a temptation for several in here to make fun of everything that passes through here, which doesn't help to answer the questions. That doesn't mean we aren't out here trying to accomplish things. > May I draw your attention to the stated purpose of this list? > The electronic mailing list Pine-Info covers features, bugs > & workarounds, usage, installation, customization and more > pertaining to the Pine software. While unmoderated, it is > intended primarily for discussion of matters of interest > to systems/email administrators, developers, trainers, user > support personnel, and others involved with Pine messaging > on a "technical" level. Weird. I can't seem to find harass, ridicule, or belittle listed. Did I miss something, or did you leave those out for a reason? > _Technical_ doesn't mean quotas, or random tag lines or any of the other > stuff that has been popular around here lately. Good point...so why do most of the posts not answer the questions, but insist on complaining about sigs that are too long or something else equally trivial and unrelated to Pine? Those things aren't 'technical issues' related to Pine, either. > If there were some actual technical questions going around, there > might be some more use to this list. Hmmm...by technical, I take it you mean very specific technical questions that most newbies don't even know to ask? That makes a lot of sense. So, if this newsgroup isn't considered to be tailored to the new users of Pine, why is it listed in the FAQ and on the Pine Web site? Guess maybe you'd better take those links off, Mr. Gray or whomever happens to read this and is in charge of updating that site. Then, if that *is* the case, where *should* the new users go to have their 'non-technical' questions answered? Greg From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:32:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA29691 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:32:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA24531; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:32:50 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id QAA11580; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:31:48 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id QAA32026 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:30:10 -0800 Received: from mg2.rockymtn.net (mailserv.rockymtn.net [166.93.205.12]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA32593 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:30:06 -0800 Received: from rainbow.rmi.net (rainbow [166.93.8.14]) by mg2.rockymtn.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA13139 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:30:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from nerdherd.evilpeople.net (manuka@nerdherd.evilpeople.net [166.93.72.131]) by rainbow.rmi.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13780 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:29:28 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:29:36 -0700 (MST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ian Hall-Beyer To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Farewell In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: manuka@tuvok.geekpad.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sat, 5 Dec 1998, Shoeless in San Jose wrote: > Maybe because they're so thoroughly disgusted with the whole situation > that they're making a (probably feeble, knowing several of you) attempt > to get you folks to wake up and help...not ridicule. Precisely. They're mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore (cookie to whoever can name the movie :) > lot of sense. So, if this newsgroup isn't considered to be tailored > to the new users of Pine, why is it listed in the FAQ and on the > Pine Web site? Guess maybe you'd better take those links off, Mr. > Gray or whomever happens to read this and is in charge of updating > that site. Then, if that *is* the case, where *should* the new users > go to have their 'non-technical' questions answered? Is there a pine-help list? maybe there should be a pine-help list for general usability issues, and and this list for administrators. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:46:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA19742 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:46:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA04798; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:46:21 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id QAA05771; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:45:39 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id QAA28434 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:44:02 -0800 Received: from mg2.rockymtn.net (mailserv.rockymtn.net [166.93.205.12]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA06113 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:44:02 -0800 Received: from rainbow.rmi.net (rainbow [166.93.8.14]) by mg2.rockymtn.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA13513 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from nerdherd.evilpeople.net (manuka@nerdherd.evilpeople.net [166.93.72.131]) by rainbow.rmi.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA16674 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:43:23 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:43:32 -0700 (MST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ian Hall-Beyer To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PC PINE Problem ! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: manuka@tuvok.geekpad.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN OK. Now that I have given my rating, now for the dissection of this "flame" On Sat, 5 Dec 1998, Stephanie Michelle Skinner wrote: > OKAY! ALL OF YOU COMPUTER GENIOUS ASSHOLES NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT SOME OF > US DONT KNOW WHERE TO ASK QUESTIONS EXCEPT WHERE WE ARE TOLD TO ASK > QUESTIONS. -1 for spelling -1 for profanity > YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION SO, WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM! GET OFF OF > YOUR BIG ASS POWER TRIP AND REALIZE THAT SOME OF US DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO > EXCEPT ASK FOR HELP. -1 for profanity > THOSE OF US WHO ARE NOT BLESSED W/ COMPUTER KNOWLEDGE > ONLY KNOW TO ASK FOR HELP SO....SORRY IF WE DIDNT ASK FOR YOUR BLESSED > OPINION! TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR PERSONALITY AND REALIZE THAT AT LEAST US > LITTLE ONES KNOW HOW TO TYPE AND US LITTLE ONES MUST LOOK FOR HELP WHERE > HELP IS LISTED. no spelling or profanity issues here. > GO KISS YOUR OWN ASS AT 6:30 AT NIGHT AND HAVE A DATE WITH > YOUR COMPUTER CAUSE THATS ALL YOU GOT!!!!!!! > YEAH, SO GLAD YOU KNOW YOUR COMPUTER! -1 for profanity -3 for the really lame personal attack. Somehow this always seems to come up when someone wants to try and flame a techie. You obviously don't know us very well, do you? Global points off: -3 for shouting. (I'm being generous here) -3 for not being able to construct a basic sentence without murdering the language. -Ian From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:52:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA28909 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:52:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA04828; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:51:56 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id QAA06081; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:51:17 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id QAA20170 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:49:47 -0800 Received: from mg2.rockymtn.net (mailserv.rockymtn.net [166.93.205.12]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA16611 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:49:46 -0800 Received: from rainbow.rmi.net (rainbow [166.93.8.14]) by mg2.rockymtn.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA13688 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:49:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from nerdherd.evilpeople.net (manuka@nerdherd.evilpeople.net [166.93.72.131]) by rainbow.rmi.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17813 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:49:07 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:49:17 -0700 (MST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ian Hall-Beyer To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Farewell In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: manuka@tuvok.geekpad.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Shall we pick apart this one as well? I hear a round of applause! On Sat, 5 Dec 1998, Stephanie Michelle Skinner wrote: > SORRY SOME OF US ARE NOT "SMART" AS YOU ARE SMART ASS! GET A GRIP AND > REALIZE THAT YOU ARE NOT THE SHIT! WE ARE ONLY ASKING FOR HELP. Well, since this really isn't the place to ask for newbie help, according to the FAQ, you get what you ask for. -1 for being stupid. -1 for profanity. -1 for abusing quotation marks. > JUST TELL US YOU CANT HELP! DONT BELITTLE US! ASSHOLES! AND YES, I AM > CALLING NAMES B/C YOU INSECURE BASTARDS DONT KNOW HOW TO STEP UP AND No, you're calling names because you can't form a coherent sentence. -1 for name-calling. -1 for profanity. > RECOGNIZE THAT SOME PEOPLE FOLLOW DIRECTIONS THEY ARE GIVEN! I AM GLAD -1 for being a lemming. > THAT YOU ARE SOOOOOO SMART ON THE COMPUTER: GLAD THATS ALL YOU'LL BE > FUCKIN TONIGHT! once again, -3 for the lame personal attack. Global: -2 for all caps -2 for not having the sense to trim the previous message when replying. -Ian From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:22:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id SAA29530 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:22:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id SAA25070; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:22:23 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id SAA07868; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:21:39 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id SAA23244 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:20:00 -0800 Received: from calypso.view.net.au (mtw@calypso.view.net.au [203.30.237.210]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id SAA05285 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:19:54 -0800 Received: (from mtw@localhost) by calypso.view.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA16366; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 12:47:57 +1030 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 12:47:56 +1030 (CST) Reply-To: Michael Talbot-Wilson Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Michael Talbot-Wilson To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: PC PINE Problem ! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Stephanie Michelle Skinner X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sat, 5 Dec 1998, Stephanie Michelle Skinner wrote: > OKAY! ALL OF YOU COMPUTER GENIOUS ASSHOLES NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT SOME OF Stephanie, your credentials for favouring the subscribers to this list with your views are even slimmer than those of the person you are responding to. And those are exceedingly slim: he is just a gate crasher in an unmoderated list. How much did you pay for Pine? The only payment that has been, by implication, asked of you was to read the mail you were sent by the list server when subscribing to this list. That payment you have withheld. The correct response to questions outside the scope of the list is no response: to ignore them. The context-sensitive help is, after all, extensive, and that in the main menu contains a pointer to a FAQ and other files. Some people are just plumb kind-hearted and liable to befriend strays, but they should reply by direct personal e-mail. Therefore, any responses that are in fact mailed to the list are likely to come from the dregs. A response that is abusive yet answers the question fails all tests. Deal with it. Don't bring yourself down to the level of the person who made the response. -- Michael Talbot-Wilson ------------------- mtw@calypso.view.net.au "Many good morrows to my noble lord!" - Catesby greeting Hastings (Richard III, Act III, Scene II). From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 02:56:12 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id CAA18553 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 02:56:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id CAA15388; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 02:23:31 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id CAA23198; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 02:22:57 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id CAA28102 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 02:18:49 -0800 Received: from euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca (cpu1671.adsl.bellglobal.com [206.47.27.152]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id CAA09235 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 02:18:43 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA00263; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 06:16:08 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 06:16:08 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: yashy@euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Yasholomew Yashinski To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Farewell In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Shoeless in San Jose X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Sat, 5 Dec 1998, Shoeless in San Jose wrote: > > Why do people feel the need to announce their comings and goings? > > Maybe because they're so thoroughly disgusted with the whole situation > that they're making a (probably feeble, knowing several of you) attempt > to get you folks to wake up and help...not ridicule. I think Ken, as well as the others, should more importantly evaluate their behavior, as to reflect the end-users opinions of Pine itself. Joining the pine-info mailing list, and asking a question they can't seem to find the answer to, and getting called names, and told to rm -rf *, does not onlt reflect the posters "professional attitude" as they seem to think members of this list must have. I think perhaps the hosters of this list should take a serious look at the impact these few need-to-insult-to-pump-my-low-selfesteem-drunks that ruin a good mailing-list, and (the best?) Mail client's reputation. > > Does that have anything to do with the purpose of this list? I don't > > see a single post from you in the previous two months.... that's > > pretty modest. > > Some of us don't post regularly...rather, we help people outside the > newsgroup as it's too much of a temptation for several in here to > make fun of everything that passes through here, which doesn't help > to answer the questions. That doesn't mean we aren't out here > trying to accomplish things. > > > May I draw your attention to the stated purpose of this list? > > The electronic mailing list Pine-Info covers features, bugs > > & workarounds, usage, installation, customization and more > > pertaining to the Pine software. While unmoderated, it is > > intended primarily for discussion of matters of interest > > to systems/email administrators, developers, trainers, user > > support personnel, and others involved with Pine messaging > > on a "technical" level. > > Weird. I can't seem to find harass, ridicule, or belittle listed. > Did I miss something, or did you leave those out for a reason? No, probably he finds himself as moderator of this list, you can see these god-complez types all over, you just have to filter them all to /dev/null . > > _Technical_ doesn't mean quotas, or random tag lines or any of the other > > stuff that has been popular around here lately. > > Good point...so why do most of the posts not answer the questions, but > insist on complaining about sigs that are too long or something else > equally trivial and unrelated to Pine? Those things aren't 'technical > issues' related to Pine, either. This makes me laugh, of course HE decides what is technical enough for this list (see god-complex comment above). Of course from someone who is a beer-loving, plaid wearing, and a self-proclaimed asshole, this is hardly surprising. Heck, "woods" is in his name. -=/Yashy/=- In a World without Walls and Fences ... Who needs Windows and Gates ?! NEW IRC Server /server irc.yashy.ottawa.on.ca From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 03:24:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id DAA17705 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 03:24:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id DAA15742; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 03:24:43 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id DAA19102; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 03:23:59 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id DAA26036 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 03:20:51 -0800 Received: from tam.dorsai.org (root@tam.dorsai.org [206.127.32.35]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id DAA22364 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 03:20:50 -0800 Received: from amanda (soma@amanda.dorsai.org [206.127.32.130]) by tam.dorsai.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA21353 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 06:23:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 06:23:45 -0500 (est) Reply-To: *selah* Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: *selah* To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: enabling save on crash MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: soma@amanda X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I understand that pine uses the pico editor. I was wondering if there's a way to enable pico to automatically save if a post gets interupted by a disconnect? Thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 04:29:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id EAA21305 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 04:29:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id EAA06032; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 04:29:24 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id EAA12129; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 04:28:44 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id EAA32490 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 04:26:39 -0800 Received: from kens.com (kens.com [209.70.169.2]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id EAA12209 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 04:26:39 -0800 Received: from kens.com (kens.com [209.70.169.2]) by kens.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA04731 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:26:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:26:39 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ken Woods To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Don't like it??? *sigh*.....WAS: Re: Farewell In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Yasholomew Yashinski wrote: > On Sat, 5 Dec 1998, Shoeless in San Jose wrote: > > > Somebody wrote: > > > Why do people feel the need to announce their comings and goings? > > > > Maybe because they're so thoroughly disgusted with the whole situation > > that they're making a (probably feeble, knowing several of you) attempt > > to get you folks to wake up and help...not ridicule. > > I think Ken, as well as the others, should more importantly evaluate > their behavior, as to reflect the end-users opinions of Pine itself. Myself, along with "the others" that you have referred to, have decided that the pine-info list is going to be left alone. Y'all are right, pine-info is NOT the place that we should continue our "antics" Instead, we are going to concentrate on comp.mail.pine. So, expect pine-info to drop back to what it was about two weeks ago. Low traffic, wrong answers, and sheer stupidity. Please do not send replies to this message. They'll be pointless. man procmail to figure out why. -- Ken Woods kwoods@kens.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:50:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA25915 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:49:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA24254; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:49:15 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id NAA13512; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:47:42 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id NAA31326 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:45:34 -0800 Received: from euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca (cpu1671.adsl.bellglobal.com [206.47.27.152]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA14369 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:45:34 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01625; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:45:24 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:45:24 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: yashy@euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Yasholomew Yashinski To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: enabling save on crash In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: *selah* X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, *selah* wrote: > I understand that pine uses the pico editor. I was wondering if there's a > way to enable pico to automatically save if a post gets interupted by a > disconnect? I believe that is you do ^O (Control+O) it will postpone the message, then the next time you do "C" to compose a message, you will have the option of starting a new one, or continuing with the old. -=/Yashy/=- In a World without Walls and Fences ... Who needs Windows and Gates ?! From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:54:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA27976 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:53:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA14697; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:53:16 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id NAA27441; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:52:02 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id NAA11646 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:50:15 -0800 Received: from euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca (cpu1671.adsl.bellglobal.com [206.47.27.152]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA15120 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:50:14 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01629; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:50:09 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:50:09 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: yashy@euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Yasholomew Yashinski To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Don't like it??? *sigh*.....WAS: Re: Farewell In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Ken Woods X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Ken Woods wrote: > Myself, along with "the others" that you have referred to, have > decided that the pine-info list is going to be left alone. Y'all are > right, pine-info is NOT the place that we should continue our "antics" > Instead, we are going to concentrate on comp.mail.pine. I'll warn everyone I can. > So, expect pine-info to drop back to what it was about two weeks ago. > Low traffic, wrong answers, and sheer stupidity. Low/High traffic is an issue to those that need help? Perhaps we can give better answers than rm -rf * >From people like yourself. > Please do not send replies to this message. They'll be pointless. > man procmail to figure out why. Provided you were probably drunk, like usual, when you wrote this, I'll take my chances. sidenote: Thanks to anyone that helped deter these hoodlums from the list, as they good have been a great asset, and it is a shame they had to act that way. Perhaps we can turn this list into something useful. Cheers. -=/Yashy/=- In a World without Walls and Fences ... Who needs Windows and Gates ?! From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:03:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id OAA31103 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:03:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id OAA24483; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:02:54 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id OAA19855; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:01:12 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id NAA29502 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:59:12 -0800 Received: from pilsener.ucs.ualberta.ca (pilsener.ucs.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.19]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA27941 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:59:11 -0800 Received: from gpu5.srv.ualberta.ca (gpu5.srv.ualberta.ca [129.128.98.19]) by pilsener.ucs.ualberta.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13575 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:59:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (maldridg@localhost) by gpu5.srv.ualberta.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA78840 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:59:09 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:59:09 -0700 (MST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Lea To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: enabling save on crash In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Information List X-Sender: maldridg@gpu5.srv.ualberta.ca X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Yasholomew Yashinski wrote: > > I understand that pine uses the pico editor. I was wondering if there's a > > way to enable pico to automatically save if a post gets interupted by a > > disconnect? > > I believe that is you do ^O (Control+O) it will postpone the message, > then the next time you do "C" to compose a message, you will have the > option of starting a new one, or continuing with the old. ^O will postpone if you still have an active session. If the user is using Pine within a Unix account, I'd suggest listing the contents of the home directory of the account with the command ls -la (ls -la|more if the list is more than one screen) Look for a filename like #pico123456789 where 123456789 is a long random number. If you find one of those filenames and the date and time look about right for when the session crashed, that should be where the contents of your compose buffer went. What you can then do is start Pine, open a compose screen, fill the header out as usual, and use ^R to read the contents of the #pico123456789 file into the body of the message. Lea ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lea Andrellan CNS Consulting Team; Helpdesk maldridg@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca OR helpdesk@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca 492-9380 (voicemail) OR 492-9400 (helpdesk) http://www.ualberta.ca/~maldridg/tutor/Tutorials.html "My spelling is wobbly", said Pooh. "It's good spelling, but it wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:40:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id OAA14884 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:40:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id OAA15452; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:40:43 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id OAA22288; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:39:33 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id OAA13108 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:37:48 -0800 Received: from chinet.com (IDENT:ahk@lagnaf-1.soho.enteract.com [216.80.30.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id OAA21479 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:37:43 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA23843 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:37:59 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:37:59 -0600 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Don't like it??? *sigh* In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Clueful: Why do you set Reply-To? If your mail system automatically appends the incorrect host name, set it yourself with "user-domain", the second option. Only set Reply-To when you want to receive mail at another system. >Reply-To: yashy@euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca >Message-ID: >From: Yasholomew Yashinski >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:50:09 -0500 (EST) >On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Ken Woods wrote: >>Myself, along with "the others" that you have referred to, have decided that >>the pine-info list is going to be left alone. Y'all are right, pine-info is >>NOT the place that we should continue our "antics" Instead, we are going to >>concentrate on comp.mail.pine. >I'll warn everyone I can. >>So, expect pine-info to drop back to what it was about two weeks ago. >>Low traffic, wrong answers, and sheer stupidity. >Low/High traffic is an issue to those that need help? >Perhaps we can give better answers than rm -rf * >From people like yourself. The question is, "How can this list be of any use at all to postmasters and system administrators if it is filled with questions that can be answered by looking in the documentation?" Your answer is wrong. >>Please do not send replies to this message. They'll be pointless. >>man procmail to figure out why. >Provided you were probably drunk, like usual, when you wrote this, >I'll take my chances. The only time Ken was drunk while posting was when he answered luser questions without the necessary insult. >sidenote: Thanks to anyone that helped deter these hoodlums from the list, >as they good have been a great asset, and it is a shame they had to act >that way. Perhaps we can turn this list into something useful. "as they good have been a great asset" What do you mean? You want to turn the list into something useful? Then post a question related to running mail servers that use pine. Or answer one. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:05:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id PAA11681 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id PAA16047; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:05:31 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id PAA23697; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:04:14 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id PAA08996 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:02:17 -0800 Received: from bulldog.unca.edu (smskinne@bulldog.unca.edu [152.18.64.9]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id PAA25285 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:02:12 -0800 Received: from localhost (smskinne@localhost) by bulldog.unca.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA22379 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:02:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:02:14 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Stephanie Michelle Skinner To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I would like to unsubscribe to this list because it has proved to be filled with very crude and useless people (sorry to those who actually helped me). But this list is, I guess, not the right place for my questions. Hopefully I have made some realize that they should get a life and stop the insults and just make a suggestion to help those of us who are not "computer-talented". We learn quickly, ya know? Please unsubscribe me from this list immediately. Stephanie "SMALL1DER" :) ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:51:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA29646 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:51:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA27504; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:50:54 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id QAA06939; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:48:58 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id QAA31784 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:47:20 -0800 Received: from chinet.com (IDENT:ahk@lagnaf-1.soho.enteract.com [216.80.30.1]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA08308 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:47:19 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA26635 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:47:31 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:47:31 -0600 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: Stephanie Michelle Skinner >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:02:14 -0500 (EST) >Hopefully I have made some realize that they should get a life >and stop the insults and just make a suggestion to help those of us who >are not "computer-talented". We learn quickly, ya know? >Please unsubscribe me from this list immediately. You learn quickly, do you? Then learn this: Never, NEVER send unsubscribe requests to the list posting address. List members do not want to read them. Instructions for unsubscribing are given at the URL below, added to every single message that goes through this list. If you join another mailing list, SAVE the instructions on sending unsubscribe commands to the list server. >----------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ >----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:21:17 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA25788 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:21:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA27939; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:21:08 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id RAA16943; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:20:11 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id RAA23222 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:18:30 -0800 Received: from seen.farley.org (root@farley.org [204.248.217.248]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA12375 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:18:28 -0800 Received: from seen.farley.org ([192.168.1.2] ident=sean) by seen.farley.org with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0znBnN-0000If-00 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:18:33 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:18:33 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sean Farley To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: List suggestions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: sean@farley.org X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN How about some compromises? Here is my list of ideas: 1) pine-info is too general in name pine-admin Help on administrating PINE pine-bug Bugs to squash (Is this already there?) pine-devel Development of PINE pine-gurus Another possibility of above. I like this better; it may scare newbies away from it. pine-info General help to others If anyone asks for help on anything but the help list (pine-info), I recommend not to flame. Send them just the URL to the FAQ. (See point 3). 2) At the bottom of each message we should also post the URL to the FAQ instead of just a link to information about the list. Some people might not know a FAQ is located at the mailing list URL. 3) The number answer in the FAQ should give a detailed explanation of the functions of each of the mailing lists with the help list surrounded by asterisks so no one may miss it. 4) If someone ignores a post--a polite post :)--telling them to read the FAQ, they may be flamed. Ignorance is one thing, ignoring help--polite again--is another. If anything sounds unreasonable, I can blame the cold medicine I am taking. :) Sean -------------- scf@farley.org ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:34:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA01990 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:34:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA28120; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:33:54 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id RAA25485; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:32:50 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id RAA09046 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:31:11 -0800 Received: from nimbus.anzio.com (ras@nimbus.anzio.com [204.201.253.34]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA25159 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:31:11 -0800 Received: from localhost (ras@localhost) by nimbus.anzio.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA01052; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:28:43 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:28:43 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Bob Rasmussen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: List suggestions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Sean Farley X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Those are all good suggestions. May I point out, also: People looking for solutions will often join a list and ask their question. To those who have been on the list for some time, it appears that "those people" keep asking the same, inappropriate questions. And so the flames begin. However, "this person" is not "those people", nor should they bear the brunt of somebody's pent-up frustration with other people's transgressions. Metaphorically, if too many people come to your door seeking what you're not selling, change the sign on the door! Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com or sales@anzio.com or support@anzio.com ftp://ftp.anzio.com voice: 503-624-0360 http://www.anzio.com fax: 503-624-0760 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:30:12 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id TAA04703 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id TAA29096; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:30:05 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id TAA07094; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:29:00 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id TAA09190 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:27:17 -0800 Received: from mole.slip.net (mole.slip.net [207.171.193.16]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id TAA25549 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:27:13 -0800 Received: from [207.171.193.17] (helo=slip-3) by mole.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0znAdc-0007Fb-00 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:04:24 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:03:54 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Shoeless in San Jose To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: enabling save on crash In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: batchman@slip-3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Yasholomew Yashinski wrote: > On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, *selah* wrote: > > > I understand that pine uses the pico editor. I was wondering if there's a > > way to enable pico to automatically save if a post gets interupted by a > > disconnect? > > I believe that is you do ^O (Control+O) it will postpone the message, > then the next time you do "C" to compose a message, you will have the > option of starting a new one, or continuing with the old. Problem with that is, he's wanting to know how to recover from a disconnect. The only way to guarantee that you won't lose data from that is to occasionally postpone, then exit or suspend the pico job and save a copy of the postponed file. I've done that before when I have a squirrely phone line, or the ISP is having modem troubles. I've never seen pico consistently save during a crash, so I've never relied on it too much. Greg From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:35:05 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id UAA04898 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:35:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id UAA19737; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:34:58 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id UAA17417; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:33:56 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id UAA32002 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:32:13 -0800 Received: from mg2.rockymtn.net (mailserv.rockymtn.net [166.93.205.12]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id UAA31513 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:32:09 -0800 Received: from rainbow.rmi.net (rainbow [166.93.8.14]) by mg2.rockymtn.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA25582 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:32:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from geekpad.nerdherd.net (manuka@geekpad.nerdherd.net [166.93.72.131]) by rainbow.rmi.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA15653 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:31:28 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:31:57 -0700 (MST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ian Hall-Beyer To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: List suggestions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: manuka@tuvok.geekpad.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Sean Farley wrote: > How about some compromises? Here is my list of ideas: HEY!!!!!! That's constructive, helpful, and thought-out. I don't think that's allowed in here. Stop that immediately! :) -Ian From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:46:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id WAA05026 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:46:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id WAA20779; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:46:19 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id WAA09059; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:45:34 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id WAA38102 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:43:50 -0800 Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id WAA22523 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:43:50 -0800 Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA29855; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:43:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:43:46 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: enabling save on crash In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Shoeless in San Jose X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Shoeless in San Jose wrote: > Problem with that is, he's wanting to know how to recover from a > disconnect. The only way to guarantee that you won't lose data from > that is to occasionally postpone, then exit or suspend the pico job > and save a copy of the postponed file. I've done that before when I > have a squirrely phone line, or the ISP is having modem troubles. > I've never seen pico consistently save during a crash, so I've never > relied on it too much. I tend to assume everyone else that uses a unix shell knows and uses screen. I keep wondering how it is people get disconnects. # w | grep winter | grep pine winter P0 3Cust235.tnt1.dc 13Oct98 - (pine4) Now, I would have had a longer running process but I restarted just for kicks when I changed something in my .pinerc. Anyhow, for everyone that doesn't use screen, go out and grab it, or if you're not running your own boxes (as if most of the people are) try typing 'screen' at your prompt. Chances are it will be installed already. Screen is one of the few things that you can't live without. Its like making a bash user use 'sh'. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | 78 280Z | 75 164E | 84 245DL | FreeBSD/NetBSD/Sprite/VMS | | winter@jurai.net | This Space For Rent | ix86,sparc,m68k,pmax,vax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | Are you k-rad elite enough for my webpage? | From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:22:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id AAA26082 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:22:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id AAA01191; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:22:17 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id AAA24619; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:21:37 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id AAA24648 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:19:52 -0800 Received: from euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca (root@cpu1671.adsl.bellglobal.com [206.47.27.152]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id AAA18926 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:19:51 -0800 Received: from localhost (yashy@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA13451; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 03:20:10 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 03:20:09 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: yashy@euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Yasholomew Yashinski To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Don't like it??? *sigh* In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Adam H. Kerman" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > Clueful: Okay listen, This list is not name calling. The Only names you have for me are Yashy and/or Yasholomew Yashinski, and that is how I'd like to be addressed. For the ignroant folk like yourself, I'll let you call me mister. Anything else > /dev/null. Why do you set Reply-To? If your mail system automatically appends the > incorrect host name, set it yourself with "user-domain", the second option. > Only set Reply-To when you want to receive mail at another system. Thanks for noticing, hoever until a few days ago, they were two different boxes, and they will be again, thus the reason I've just added the Reply-To: header. > >>So, expect pine-info to drop back to what it was about two weeks ago. > >>Low traffic, wrong answers, and sheer stupidity. > >Low/High traffic is an issue to those that need help? > >Perhaps we can give better answers than rm -rf * > >>From people like yourself. > > The question is, "How can this list be of any use at all to postmasters and > system administrators if it is filled with questions that can be answered by > looking in the documentation?" Your answer is wrong. It can be useful to all. As they chose it to be unmoderated, it could perhaps use a statement on their part on how technical this list should be. I think that "clueless newbies" should have someone where to ask the questions they can't find in the FAQ etc. Especially w/o being called names by people like yourself, or being told to erase their valuable files. > The only time Ken was drunk while posting was when he answered luser questions > without the necessary insult. I'm sure calling list members lusers is a sure fire way of gaining friends, as well as encouraging newbies to use Pine. > >sidenote: Thanks to anyone that helped deter these hoodlums from the list, > >as they good have been a great asset, and it is a shame they had to act > >that way. Perhaps we can turn this list into something useful. > > "as they good have been a great asset" > What do you mean? If you are not capable of figuring out the error in that sentence, you weren't meant to know. > You want to turn the list into something useful? Then post a question related > to running mail servers that use pine. Or answer one. I will try to answer any I can, and without calling names etc. I would like people to remember the pine-info list as friendly, where they can go when they get stuck, not a list full of hostile-hicks that wish they were real sys-admins. ..Yashy "...and scantily clad females, of course. Who cares if it's below zero outside." (By Linus Torvalds) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:35:57 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id BAA30467 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:35:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id BAA21794; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:35:44 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id BAA13119; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:35:04 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id BAA27600 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:33:12 -0800 Received: from calypso.view.net.au (mtw@calypso.view.net.au [203.30.237.210]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id BAA00975 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:33:10 -0800 Received: (from mtw@localhost) by calypso.view.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA00478; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:01:27 +1030 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:01:26 +1030 (CST) Reply-To: Michael Talbot-Wilson Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Michael Talbot-Wilson To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: enabling save on crash In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Shoeless in San Jose X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Shoeless in San Jose wrote: > On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Yasholomew Yashinski wrote: > > > On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, *selah* wrote: > > > > > I understand that pine uses the pico editor. I was wondering if there's a > > > way to enable pico to automatically save if a post gets interupted by a > > > disconnect? By chance I was typing a Pine message at the console about two minutes ago when I became aware of a situation requiring urgent attention (I had modem troubles). Forgetting about my message I did a few hasty and drastic things, finally shutting down and rebooting the computer that Pine was running on. It is a Linux computer and it was an orderly shut down, i.e. processes were signalled. When it came up again I ran Pine and it immediately asked if I wanted to continue editing the message that had been saved. It was intact. So, if it's interrupted by a disconnect, I guess you'd be okay. -- Michael Talbot-Wilson ------------------- mtw@calypso.view.net.au "Many good morrows to my noble lord!" - Catesby greeting Hastings (Richard III, Act III, Scene II). From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:59:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id CAA01012 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:59:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id CAA22050; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:28:38 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id CAA14128; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:27:21 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id CAA35202 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:24:32 -0800 Received: from tilmax.tatainfotech.co.in (tilmax.tatainfotech.co.in [202.54.16.130]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id CAA25242 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:24:14 -0800 Received: from seepzmail.in.tatainfotech.com (163-122-3222.unisys.com [163.122.32.22]) by tilmax.tatainfotech.co.in (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11825 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:41:52 +0530 Received: from seepzmail by seepzmail.in.tatainfotech.com (8.6.10/SMI-4.1) id KAA03106; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:22:32 GMT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:52:32 +0530 (IST) Reply-To: Nayan Jain Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Nayan Jain To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Thanks to all who helped me ! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: nayan.jain@seepzmail X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi all(these all means only people who have helped me) Its me Nayan here who had asked some questions regarding PC-PINE problem. I am glad that i am on this list, and after some time i am just going to be a was on this list. I am glad that i learnt a good lesson here. The lesson is "There still are stupids,idiots,jerks in this universe, and by mistake they have landed on earth and have joined this PINE LIST". I dont know what people (the one who said all crap tp me when i asked for a help) think about yourselves.Are you really that smart that you can answer each and everything and know everything under the sky ? People(rather stupids) like K.W. are maniacs and should be thrown out of this list. This kind of behaviour is maligning PINE's impression on public. I think the problems and questions i asked were justified and if any one of you felt that it was out of topic here then could have directed me to proper source rather than ridiculing...abusing. Anyway, I mjust want to thank to all the guys who have helped me here, but now i have dropped the idea of installing PC-PINE, nothing more is required from PINE after these discussion. Still i have a request that you can unsubscribe people of type K.W. from this list and you should. Anyway Thanks again ! Nayan Jain " minds are like parachutes -- they function best when open. " ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 03:16:57 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id DAA10282 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 03:16:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id DAA02244; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 03:16:50 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id DAA06928; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 03:16:01 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id DAA28602 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 03:13:59 -0800 Received: from calypso.view.net.au (mtw@calypso.view.net.au [203.30.237.210]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id DAA04886 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 03:13:55 -0800 Received: (from mtw@localhost) by calypso.view.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA01155; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:42:00 +1030 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:42:00 +1030 (CST) Reply-To: Michael Talbot-Wilson Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Michael Talbot-Wilson To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Don't like it??? *sigh* In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: yashy@euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Yasholomew Yashinski wrote: > It can be useful to all. As they chose it to be unmoderated, it could > perhaps use a statement on their part on how technical this list should The express statement is that it is for administrator-level issues. Why not believe it? And the reason was surely to minimise traffic and not bother the maintainers with user problems that local administrators can handle. To filter out what they don't want to waste their time reading. > be. I think that "clueless newbies" should have someone where to ask the > questions they can't find in the FAQ etc. Especially w/o being called A clueless newbie is a person who has not read the FAQ. If you have studied the documentation you are not a clueless newbie. It is vain to try to help them, other than by pointing to the documentation. Or undertaking to help all newbies by writing better documentation. You might do this by creating an index to existing documentation. If you are enthusiastic to help a particular clueless newbie you will write a full and careful explanation in response to the newbie's obscure plea for help. But that is documentation, and it is exactly why the original documentation was written, and what you have just written is probably better and more accurately expressed in the pre-existing documentation. Remember, the original problem was that the clueless newbie didn't and wouldn't read the documentation. Have you spent your time fruitfully, or have you been made a fool of? What is needed is a footer added by the list server telling where to look for further information. I saw one today on a few of these mails, and it was a very desirable improvement. Presumably mail is reaching me out of order, because it seems to have disappeared again. What is _not_ needed is the abuse that has been seen in this list. If it is mail from a clueless newbie, simply pass on to the next message. -- Michael Talbot-Wilson ------------------- mtw@calypso.view.net.au "Many good morrows to my noble lord!" - Catesby greeting Hastings (Richard III, Act III, Scene II). From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:36:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id FAA09140 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:36:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id FAA23234; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:36:43 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id FAA18330; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:35:46 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id FAA09634 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:33:48 -0800 Received: from gluon.zag.si (gluon.zag.si [193.2.24.5]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id FAA00635 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:33:47 -0800 Received: from Charm.sckcen.be (Charm.sckcen.be [193.190.184.5]) by gluon.zag.si (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA29657 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:33:18 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:31:08 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jan Kalin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: enabling save on crash In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: jank@charm.sckcen.be X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote: > On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Shoeless in San Jose wrote: > > > On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Yasholomew Yashinski wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, *selah* wrote: > > > > > > > I understand that pine uses the pico editor. I was wondering if there's a > > > > way to enable pico to automatically save if a post gets interupted by a > > > > disconnect? > > the computer that Pine was running on. It is a Linux computer and > it was an orderly shut down, i.e. processes were signalled. > > So, if it's interrupted by a disconnect, I guess you'd be okay. If Selah is running M$ Windoze I wouldn't be convinced that is the case. I do have a suggestion, though. Pico is s standalone program as well as being incorporated into Pine as the 'internal' editor. What you can try is configure Pine to use the standalone Pico as your alternate editor ("editor" variable in config). You can invoke it either manually with ^_ (+) or have it enabled implicitly ("enable-alternate-editor-implicitly" variable in config). In either case you are then actually editing a temporary file on disk, and even if Pine gets disconnected, the file can probably be saved under a different name and pulled back later. Try and see (and tell us if it works). I actually always use an alternate editor for two reasons. First is that I am used to 'vi' and prefer it to Pico. The second is that I have a relatively poor connection to my IMAP server and even if the connection acts up (no response from server for up to a few minutes), you can still compose your text. If you get a flaky connection while composing with the internal Pico, everything freezes up until the connection is reestablished. Cheers, Jan -- Jan Kalin (male, preferred languages: Slovene, English) contact information -- Jan Kalin (male, preferred languages: Slovene, English) contact information From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:23:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id GAA13465 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:23:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id GAA23525; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:23:15 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id GAA19721; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:22:21 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id GAA14576 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:20:31 -0800 Received: from mg2.rockymtn.net (mailserv.rockymtn.net [166.93.205.12]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id GAA03757 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:20:27 -0800 Received: from rainbow.rmi.net (rainbow [166.93.8.14]) by mg2.rockymtn.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA01865 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:20:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from geekpad.nerdherd.net (manuka@geekpad.nerdherd.net [166.93.72.131]) by rainbow.rmi.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA08351 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:19:49 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:20:27 -0700 (MST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ian Hall-Beyer To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Thanks to all who helped me ! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: manuka@tuvok.geekpad.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Nayan Jain wrote: > People(rather stupids) like K.W. are maniacs and should be thrown out of > this list. This kind of behaviour is maligning PINE's impression on > public. This is why a number of us (probably the majority) have him going direct to /dev/null via procmail. His posts are hardly missed. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:52:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id GAA07182 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:52:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id GAA23667; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:52:10 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id GAA04251; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:51:14 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id GAA20206 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:49:19 -0800 Received: from snits-3.nursing.umich.edu (gmoney@snits-3.nursing.umich.edu [141.211.14.247]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id GAA05831 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:49:15 -0800 Received: from localhost (gmoney@localhost) by snits-3.nursing.umich.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA01525 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:49:21 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:49:20 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: gmoney@snits-3.nursing.umich.edu To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Foreign keyboard settings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Is there a way to setup PINE so that you can use foreign alphabets and symbols from within PINE or to use non-english keyboards? ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:58:31 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA12667 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:58:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA24291; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:58:21 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id HAA28498; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:56:42 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id HAA20140 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:55:03 -0800 Received: from chinet.com (lagnaf-1.soho.enteract.com [216.80.30.1]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA12389 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:55:01 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA27884 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:55:04 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:55:04 -0600 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Don't like it??? *sigh* In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: Yasholomew Yashinski >Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 03:20:09 -0500 (EST) >>Clueful: >Okay listen, This list is not name calling. Clueful, do NOT reply to both the list and the author, unless you are deliberately trying to be provocative. >>The question is, "How can this list be of any use at all to postmasters and >>system administrators if it is filled with questions that can be answered by >>looking in the documentation?" Your answer is wrong. >It can be useful to all. As they chose it to be unmoderated, it could >perhaps use a statement on their part on how technical this list should >be. I think that "clueless newbies" should have someone where to ask the >questions they can't find in the FAQ etc. Especially w/o being called >names by people like yourself, or being told to erase their valuable files. The purpose of this list is NOT to answer questions, the answer to which is in the documentation. Clueless people can't find answers because they haven't tried. >I'm sure calling list members lusers is a sure fire way of gaining >friends, as well as encouraging newbies to use Pine. I'm not selling pine. I'd rather they didn't use it if they refuse to read the documentation. >> You want to turn the list into something useful? Then post a question related >> to running mail servers that use pine. Or answer one. > I will try to answer any I can, and without calling names etc. I would >like people to remember the pine-info list as friendly, where they can go >when they get stuck, not a list full of hostile-hicks that wish they were >real sys-admins. In other words, you don't intend to use the list according to its stated purpose. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:24:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA08242 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:24:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA24651; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:24:26 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id IAA07654; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:23:04 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id IAA28952 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:21:30 -0800 Received: from sass165.sandia.gov (mailgate.sandia.gov [132.175.109.1]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA26462 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:21:27 -0800 Received: from sasg829.sandia.gov (sasg829.sandia.gov [134.253.226.190]) by sass165.sandia.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA16231 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:21:23 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:21:22 -0700 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Daniel Sands To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Farewell In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > Hmmm...by technical, I take it you mean very specific technical > questions that most newbies don't even know to ask? That makes a > lot of sense. So, if this newsgroup isn't considered to be tailored > to the new users of Pine, why is it listed in the FAQ and on the > Pine Web site? Guess maybe you'd better take those links off, Mr. Because there are some administrators and bug announcers who do read the FAQ? Also, the intended purpose of this mailing list (not newsgroup) is stated both in the instructions for joining and in a message that is sent to those who join. > Gray or whomever happens to read this and is in charge of updating > that site. Then, if that *is* the case, where *should* the new users > go to have their 'non-technical' questions answered? How about comp.mail.pine? From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:56:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA03665 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA05085; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:55:52 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id IAA17248; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:53:49 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id IAA26604 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:52:04 -0800 Received: from mail1.new-york.net (SYSTEM@mail1.new-york.net [165.254.2.54]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA19109 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:52:01 -0800 Received: from aleph.ii.com ("port 1460"@aleph.ii.com) by mail1.new-york.net (PMDF V5.1-10 #22885) with ESMTP id <01J53EDSCE7W000TRR@mail1.new-york.net> for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:51:37 -0500 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 11:50:53 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: List suggestions In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: ii@mail1.new-york.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Sean Farley wrote: > 1) pine-info is too general in name I completely agree. pine-info used to be linked to comp.mail.pine and they were both for the same type of discussion: general tips, tricks, and help about Pine. If pine-info is now supposed to be for more technical questions, then it should have a name that reflects that. My vote is to call it pine-tech and to bidirectionally link it to a newsgroup called comp.mail.pine.tech so that people have a choice of participating via a mailing list or newsgroup and so the discussion is archived at places like DejaNews. For consistency, I'd also like to see comp.mail.pine bidirectionally linked (again) to a mailing list, maybe called pine-users. Here are some reasons I'd like to see both these groups available via both news and mail: NEWSGROUP IS NICE BECAUSE... * Discussion is archived on DejaNews and other sites that archive Usenet * Can use news readers to participate and news readers are usually much better at discussion-group features like threading and killing * Don't have to subscribe to be able to participate MAILING LIST IS NICE BECAUSE... * You don't have to worry about messages expiring * UW Pine lists are archived and available via IMAP, e.g., news-collections={ftp.cac.washington.edu/anonymous}#ftp/pine/pine-info/[] (they could probably do this with newsgroups too, which would be nice) Someday I hope that newsgroups and mailing lists will both have all the same positive features and none of the negative features but until that day comes, I like giving people the option of participating via either news or mail. > pine-admin Help on administrating PINE > pine-bug Bugs to squash (Is this already there?) > pine-devel Development of PINE > pine-gurus Another possibility of above. I like this better; > it may scare newbies away from it. > pine-info General help to others For now I think just two groups are enough (general and tech) and I think the name "pine-info" should be retired. It's got a confusing history (i.e., originally for general discussion and currently for tech discussion) and it's not a very descriptive name anyway. > 2) At the bottom of each message we should also post the URL to the > FAQ instead of just a link to information about the list. Some > people might not know a FAQ is located at the mailing list URL. Yes, the blurb at the bottom of each msg should mention the FAQ (and possibly the purpose of the discussion group), but I think that that can be done with only one URL. Here's a possibility: ----------------------------------------------------------------- This list is for the discussion of Pine technical issues. User- level discussion takes place in comp.mail.pine. For information about this mailing list, its archives, the Pine FAQ, and general Pine information, see http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- Nancy McGough http://www.ii.com/ Infinite Ink --= Posted via PINE: Power Internet News & Email for Win/Unix =-- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:35:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA10905 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:35:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA05783; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:35:01 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id JAA03174; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:33:43 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id JAA15588 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:30:56 -0800 Received: from public.ndh.com (public.ndh.net [194.97.97.21]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA26259 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:30:54 -0800 Received: from radioactive.kens.com (root@port251.koeln.ndh.net [195.94.92.251]) by public.ndh.com (8.8.7/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA28124 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:30:49 +0100 (MET) Received: (from robin@localhost) by radioactive.kens.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02094; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:33:38 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 08 Dec 1998 17:33:38 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Robin S. Socha" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Foreign keyboard settings In-Reply-To: gmoney@snits-3.nursing.umich.edu's message of "Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:49:20 -0500 (EST)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN * writes: Dear nameless luser, we regret to inform you that this list is inteded for questions regarding the administration of networks running Pine. Your question: > Is there a way to setup PINE so that you can use foreign alphabets > and symbols from within PINE or to use non-english keyboards? is better placed here: . From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:37:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA16282 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:37:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA25942; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:37:18 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id JAA11094; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:36:17 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id JAA18422 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:30:57 -0800 Received: from public.ndh.com (public.ndh.net [194.97.97.21]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA26266 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:30:56 -0800 Received: from radioactive.kens.com (root@port251.koeln.ndh.net [195.94.92.251]) by public.ndh.com (8.8.7/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA28131 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:30:52 +0100 (MET) Received: (from robin@localhost) by radioactive.kens.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02031; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:29:36 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 08 Dec 1998 17:29:34 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Robin S. Socha" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Thanks to all who helped me ! In-Reply-To: Ian Hall-Beyer's message of "Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:20:27 -0700 (MST)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN * Ian Hall-Beyer writes: > On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Nayan Jain wrote: >> People (rather stupids) like K.W. are maniacs and should be >> thrown out of this list. Darling, people (rather clevers) like K.W. are admins who keep the net you don't even begin to understand up and running. People (rather technicals) like K.W. see to it that hypocritical, greedy, malevolent, vengeful, cowardly, deadly, mendacious, meretricious, loathsome, despicable, belligerent, opportunistic, barratrous, contemptible, criminal, fascistic, bigoted, racist, sexist, avaricious, tasteless, idiotic, brain-damaged, imbecilic, insane, arrogant, deceitful, demented, lame, self-righteous, byzantine, conspiratorial, satanic, fraudulent, libelous, bilious, splenetic, spastic, ignorant, clueless, illegitimate, harmful, destructive, dumb, evasive, double-talking, devious, revisionist, narrow, manipulative, paternalistic, fundamentalist, dogmatic, idolatrous, unethical, cultic, diseased, suppressive, controlling, restrictive, malignant, deceptive, mindless, clueless, dyslexic, boring, pathetic, obsolete, dim, crazy, weird, dystopic, stifling, uncaring, plantigrade, grim, unsympathetic, jargon-spouting, censorious, secretive, aggressive, mind-numbing, arassive, poisonous, flagrant, self-destructive, abusive, socially-retarded, puerile, clueless, and generally Not Good lusers can abuse it. >> This kind of behaviour is maligning PINE's impression on public. > > This is why a number of us (probably the majority) have him going > direct to /dev/null via procmail. Your "majority" - empirical evidence gathered by grepping cmp and this list - is too stooopid to even spell procmail correctly. Which is why this mailing list was made subscriber-only and its purpose "admin problems". Now tell me, Ian, what does a luser PC-Pine problem have to do on this list? > His posts are hardly missed. Even your flames are boring, Ian. And: your actively encouraging the abuse of this list. You know, Ian, I think this is not a Good Thing. Do you? From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:40:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA16646 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:40:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA25991; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:40:27 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id JAA27661; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:38:49 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id JAA29572 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:31:35 -0800 Received: from seen.farley.org (root@farley.org [204.248.217.248]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA26382 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:31:34 -0800 Received: from seen.farley.org ([192.168.1.2] ident=sean) by seen.farley.org with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0znQzB-0000sH-00 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:31:45 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:31:45 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sean Farley To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: List suggestions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: sean@farley.org X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Ian Hall-Beyer wrote: > On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Sean Farley wrote: > > > How about some compromises? Here is my list of ideas: > > HEY!!!!!! > > That's constructive, helpful, and thought-out. I don't think that's > allowed in here. Stop that immediately! > > :) > > -Ian I claim it was drug induced. I took normal instead of non-drowsy cold medicine. :) Sean -------------- scf@farley.org From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:28:18 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA06828 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:28:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA26843; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:27:59 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id KAA13420; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:25:36 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id KAA17018 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:23:00 -0800 Received: from chinet.com (IDENT:ahk@lagnaf-1.soho.enteract.com [216.80.30.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA02384 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:22:55 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA31680 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:23:05 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:23:05 -0600 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: List suggestions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: Bob Rasmussen >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:28:43 -0800 (PST) >May I point out, also: People looking for solutions will often join a list and >ask their question. To those who have been on the list for some time, it >appears that "those people" keep asking the same, inappropriate questions. And >so the flames begin. However, "this person" is not "those people", nor should >they bear the brunt of somebody's pent-up frustration with other people's >transgressions. I suggest that if Bob feels he is in a position to volunteer that "those people" shouldn't be flamed because they are unwilling to read the documentation, then his e-mail box should be the official receptacle for correspondence from "those people" to take the burden off of this list. I further suggest that if Bob is not personally offering to take the burden off of others, then he should not offer suggestions on what others should do. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:38:09 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA15827 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:38:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA06915; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:37:59 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id KAA22442; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:36:04 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id KAA17146 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:33:18 -0800 Received: from poison.slackinc.com (poison.slackinc.com [206.0.70.40]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA14509 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:33:17 -0800 Received: by POISON with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:38:17 -0500 Message-Id: <0089B6FA4F0DD211AD4E0001FA7E5055395146@POISON> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:38:16 -0500 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: George Gallen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: List Serve Reality MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-To: "'Pine List'" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN The below list definitly holds true for this list :))) Question: How many mailing list members does it take to change a light bulb? Answer: 422. One to change the light bulb and to post to the list that the light bulb has been changed; 14 to share similar experiences; 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs; 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs; 53 to trash the spell checkers; 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list; 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to the mail list; 27 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs; 14 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URL's; 6 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy. Oh yeah, and 6 to post to the list that the guy who sent the light bulb joke has not got his arithmetic correct and that it only takes 416 list members to change a light bulb. George ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:39:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA14819 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:39:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA06948; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:39:43 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id KAA14153; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:38:38 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id KAA27960 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:36:06 -0800 Received: from ntcorp.dn.net (ntcorp.dn.net [207.226.172.79]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA14934 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:36:01 -0800 Received: from localhost (fidelman@localhost) by ntcorp.dn.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA08095 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:32:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:32:48 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Miles Fidelman To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: List suggestions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: fidelman@ntcorp.dn.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > From: Adam H. Kerman > > >From: Bob Rasmussen > > >May I point out, also: People looking for solutions will often join a list and > >ask their question. To those who have been on the list for some time, it > >appears that "those people" keep asking the same, inappropriate questions. And > >so the flames begin. However, "this person" is not "those people", nor should > >they bear the brunt of somebody's pent-up frustration with other people's > >transgressions. > > I suggest that if Bob feels he is in a position to volunteer that "those > people" shouldn't be flamed because they are unwilling to read the > documentation, then his e-mail box should be the official receptacle for > correspondence from "those people" to take the burden off of this list. > > I further suggest that if Bob is not personally offering to take the burden off > of others, then he should not offer suggestions on what others should do. just a thought: can ListProc be configured to insert a couple of lines of text to every list message (I know majordomo can) - say: ------- this list is for .... before posting, please read the FAQ at http://..... ------- that might head off a bunch of inappropriate posts ************************************************************************** The Center for Civic Networking PO Box 600618 Miles R. Fidelman, President & Newtonville, MA 02460-0006 Director of Civic Networking Systems 617-558-3698 fax: 617-630-8946 mfidelman@civicnet.org http://civic.net/ccn.html Information Infrastructure: Public Spaces for the 21st Century Let's Start With: Internet Wall-Plugs Everywhere Say It Often, Say It Loud: "I Want My Internet!" ************************************************************************** From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:05:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA14622 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:05:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA27583; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:05:21 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id LAA07563; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:03:19 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id LAA29460 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:00:34 -0800 Received: from mail1.new-york.net (SYSTEM@mail1.new-york.net [165.254.2.54]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA19012 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:00:32 -0800 Received: from aleph.ii.com ("port 1599"@aleph.ii.com) by mail1.new-york.net (PMDF V5.1-10 #22885) with ESMTP id <01J53IV1B05G000Q8M@mail1.new-york.net> for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:00:07 -0500 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 13:59:13 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: moderation and banning people MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: ii@mail1.new-york.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Some people have said they'd like this group to be moderated or that some people should be banned from the group. I'd rather see the group stay open and that we do the following to self moderate the group: * Ignore abusive posts or if you feel you must respond to the abuser, respond privately. * When someone sends an inappropriate message to the group, politely tell her that it's inappropriate and where is the appropriate place to get the information or ask the question. Do this quickly so the person gets a polite response before an abusive one. * Teach people how to use Procmail or Pine to "kill" abusive participants. E.g., in Pine you can kill someone by using initial-keystroke "macros." Here's how I would kill someone whose email address is abuser@abusersRus.com: pine -P pinerc. -p pinerc-groups. -I G,"in-l-pine-info",CR,;,T,F,"abuser@abusersRus.com",A,D,X Note that this is specific to my setup. I have pine-info msgs filtered into a folder named in-l-pine-info and I use a config file called pinerc-groups to override some settings in my pinerc file. For this self moderation to work, we need to add info to the FAQ about how to deal with abusive participants and how to "kill" them. What do other people think about banning some people and/or moderation? -- Nancy McGough http://www.ii.com/ Infinite Ink --= Posted via PINE: Power Internet News & Email for Win/Unix =-- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:15:18 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA18565 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:15:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA07641; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:15:09 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id LAA15844; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:14:24 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id LAA16990 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:11:45 -0800 Received: from poison.slackinc.com (poison.slackinc.com [206.0.70.40]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA20808 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:11:44 -0800 Received: by POISON with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:16:49 -0500 Message-Id: <0089B6FA4F0DD211AD4E0001FA7E5055395149@POISON> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:16:48 -0500 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: George Gallen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: moderation and banning people MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Unfortunatly, filtering causes all posts to be lost. Yes, there are a lot of abusive posts, but even in the harsh wording, the answer is "sometimes" also there. So you could lose valuable information by killing all posts of a person. Personally, I scan the message, hit delete if it's not relevent. If it's relevent and I can use something I'll reply back, if I can't use something and there is some relevence to the post, I'll reply back If the post is just bantering (or another b word) and has no relevence to the question, click delete and ignore. Once someone realizes they can't get a rise with the inappropriate posts, they eventually stop or you keep hitting delete. True, it does waste time haveing to read them, but it may also waste time by not reading them and missing something important. George ggallen@slackinc.com -----Original Message----- From: Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough [mailto:nm@NoAdsPlease.ii.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 1:59 PM To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: moderation and banning people Some people have said they'd like this group to be moderated or that some people should be banned from the group. I'd rather see the group stay open and that we do the following to self moderate the group: * Ignore abusive posts or if you feel you must respond to the abuser, respond privately. * When someone sends an inappropriate message to the group, politely tell her that it's inappropriate and where is the appropriate place to get the information or ask the question. Do this quickly so the person gets a polite response before an abusive one. * Teach people how to use Procmail or Pine to "kill" abusive participants. E.g., in Pine you can kill someone by using initial-keystroke "macros." Here's how I would kill someone whose email address is abuser@abusersRus.com: pine -P pinerc. -p pinerc-groups. -I G,"in-l-pine-info",CR,;,T,F,"abuser@abusersRus.com",A,D,X Note that this is specific to my setup. I have pine-info msgs filtered into a folder named in-l-pine-info and I use a config file called pinerc-groups to override some settings in my pinerc file. For this self moderation to work, we need to add info to the FAQ about how to deal with abusive participants and how to "kill" them. What do other people think about banning some people and/or moderation? -- Nancy McGough http://www.ii.com/ Infinite Ink --= Posted via PINE: Power Internet News & Email for Win/Unix =-- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:33:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA19093 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:33:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA07940; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:33:35 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id LAA03374; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:32:09 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id LAA27932 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:29:32 -0800 Received: from nimbus.anzio.com (ras@nimbus.anzio.com [204.201.253.34]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA13142 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:29:27 -0800 Received: from localhost (ras@localhost) by nimbus.anzio.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA02407; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:27:15 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:27:14 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Bob Rasmussen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Foreign keyboard settings In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: gmoney@snits-3.nursing.umich.edu X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 8 Dec 1998 gmoney@snits-3.nursing.umich.edu wrote: > Is there a way to setup PINE so that you can use foreign alphabets and > symbols from within PINE or to use non-english keyboards? The first big question is whether you're using PC-Pine or UNIX Pine. If UNIX Pine, what are you using for a terminal? In either case, Pine is fairly limited, although more so in the case of UNIX Pine. The apparent design assumption is that a particular user of Pine will work in only one character set. This is set up in the configuration area. This may address your needs. If you receive a message on a 'charset' other than what you're set for, Pine will notify you when you read it, but UNIX Pine at least has no capability for translating it. You CAN however, set up an external 'viewer' for messages in different charsets, using a ".mailcap" file. What the viewer can do will of course be limited by the capabilities of your terminal (emulator). I am interested in corresponding (off-list) with people facing these issues, and possible solutions involving our multi-lingual Windows telnet client. Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com or sales@anzio.com or support@anzio.com ftp://ftp.anzio.com voice: 503-624-0360 http://www.anzio.com fax: 503-624-0760 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:04:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA25114 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA13735; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:03:58 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id QAA23587; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:02:18 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id QAA16044 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:00:22 -0800 Received: from euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca (root@cpu1671.adsl.bellglobal.com [206.47.27.152]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA18028 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:00:21 -0800 Received: from localhost (yashy@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17198; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:00:03 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:00:03 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: yashy@euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Yasholomew Yashinski To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Don't like it??? *sigh* In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Adam H. Kerman" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > Clueful, do NOT reply to both the list and the author, unless you are > deliberately trying to be provocative. Dearest Adam, as stated before, I will not reply to Clueful, so you can find somewhere to shove your questions/blabbing. > > I will try to answer any I can, and without calling names etc. I would > >like people to remember the pine-info list as friendly, where they can go > >when they get stuck, not a list full of hostile-hicks that wish they were > >real sys-admins. > > In other words, you don't intend to use the list according to its stated > purpose. I *HAVE* to reply here, to a a paragraph I found: * You may also be able to find the answer to your problem, if it has been discussed before, in the message archives of the Pine-Info mailing list. Note, however, that many perceived "Pine-problems" may actually have nothing to do with Pine itself, but be indicative of another problem on the system running Pine, so only your local computer support people will be able to ascertain and correct the cause. I also found: * The electronic mailing list Pine-Info covers features, bugs & workarounds, usage, installation, customization and more pertaining to the Pine software. It also says it primarily for admins, but stating the above sentence, and the fact it is unmoderated, be prepared to answer non-admin questions. Until the new users have a place to ask there questions, this seems like the only mailing-list they have to turn too. Also note, as said numerous times for yourself and the other "slower" list members, there is no place where it says "for name-calling (This includes "Clueful" btw, which you obviously aren't, as well as luser.) and for directions to delete your hardwork." So Adam, until you learn how to properly address me, and your elders, keep reading. ..Yashy "...Unix, MS-DOS, and Windows NT (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)." (By Matt Welsh) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:30:14 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA20673 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:30:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA14674; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:27:11 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id QAA10690; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:26:14 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id QAA18354 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:24:38 -0800 Received: from euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca (root@cpu1671.adsl.bellglobal.com [206.47.27.152]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA23173 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:24:37 -0800 Received: from localhost (yashy@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17285; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:24:43 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:24:43 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: yashy@euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Yasholomew Yashinski To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: List suggestions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Adam H. Kerman" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I applaud Bob for his efforts, as I agree with his email, and the fact he has taken the first step. I've also decided this flame-thread is getting rather boring, and have decided to keep any further replies/flaming off-list, as it can go on forever, and this is not the appropriate channel. On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > >From: Bob Rasmussen > >Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:28:43 -0800 (PST) > > >May I point out, also: People looking for solutions will often join a list and > >ask their question. To those who have been on the list for some time, it > >appears that "those people" keep asking the same, inappropriate questions. And > >so the flames begin. However, "this person" is not "those people", nor should > >they bear the brunt of somebody's pent-up frustration with other people's > >transgressions. > > I suggest that if Bob feels he is in a position to volunteer that "those > people" shouldn't be flamed because they are unwilling to read the > documentation, then his e-mail box should be the official receptacle for > correspondence from "those people" to take the burden off of this list. > > I further suggest that if Bob is not personally offering to take the burden off > of others, then he should not offer suggestions on what others should do. > > ..Yashy "...Unix, MS-DOS, and Windows NT (also known as the Good, the Bad, and
the Ugly)." (By Matt Welsh) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:30:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA10244 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:30:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA14700; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:27:35 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id QAA19410; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:23:34 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id QAA31424 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:21:46 -0800 Received: from euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca (root@cpu1671.adsl.bellglobal.com [206.47.27.152]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA22689 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:21:45 -0800 Received: from localhost (yashy@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17271; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:21:53 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:21:53 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: yashy@euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Yasholomew Yashinski To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Thanks to all who helped me ! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Cc: "Robin S. Socha" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On 8 Dec 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: > * Ian Hall-Beyer writes: > > On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Nayan Jain wrote: > > >> People (rather stupids) like K.W. are maniacs and should be > >> thrown out of this list. > > Darling, Problems addressing her be "Nayan"? > people (rather clevers) like K.W. are admins who keep the net > you don't even begin to understand up and running. People (rather > technicals) like K.W. see to it that hypocritical, greedy, malevolent, [other fine things expressing Ken] > socially-retarded, puerile, clueless, and generally Not Good lusers > can abuse it. Don't you mean you are TRYING to EXPLAIN Ken? > >> This kind of behaviour is maligning PINE's impression on public. > > > > This is why a number of us (probably the majority) have him going > > direct to /dev/null via procmail. > > Your "majority" - empirical evidence gathered by grepping cmp and this > list - is too stooopid to even spell procmail correctly. Which is why > this mailing list was made subscriber-only and its purpose "admin > problems". Now tell me, Ian, what does a luser PC-Pine problem have to > do on this list? If you noticed the > You might have noticed that was my comments, not Ians, in which you can address me as Mr. Yashinkski if you'd like a reply. However being inexperienced with pine-info, You should note that name-calling, is not tolerated on this list > > > His posts are hardly missed. > > Even your flames are boring, Ian. And: your actively encouraging the > abuse of this list. You know, Ian, I think this is not a Good > Thing. Do you? Again, my negligent friend, if Ian wrote this, perhaps it should be directed to him. Flaming the admin-wannabies like Ken, for example, is probably a good thing, however should be done off list. Of course I run a server, a few actually, I guess that means I am "techie" enough to remain on this list, as you seem to think you are moderator. As well, anyone using localhost as smtp, must be a server admin, no? As I said before, if you would like to reply to me, and me to actually read it, you can address it to Mr. Yashinski. It can also have "luser" and any other of you little names grep'd out if you want a response. Also note I Cc'd you, to show my appreciation for your excellent knowledge of names. Believe it or not, I admire you and Ken for your knowledge in Pine, however until you can learn to channel it in a professional way, as opposed to your normal drunk-kick antics, perhaps you should remain unsubscribed, like Ken promised. ..Yashy "...Unix, MS-DOS, and Windows NT (also known as the Good, the Bad, and
the Ugly)." (By Matt Welsh) From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:39:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA19700 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:39:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA15366; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:37:38 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id QAA11178; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:36:24 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id QAA15900 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:34:43 -0800 Received: from george.he.net (george.he.net [165.90.111.2]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA27226 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:34:38 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by george.he.net (8.8.6/8.8.2) with SMTP id QAA17393 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:34:41 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:34:41 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Vanessa Surmonde To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Flame wars: cool it. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: drachen@george.he.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Okay, I don't often speak up, and when I do, it's usually to answer technical questions (or very occasionally ask them). I think all of the 'old guard' here (Robin, Adam, Shoeless, Colin and the others) have clues, and I think that it would mostly be agreed that I'm not a clueless luser either. I've been on this list a year now, and I've seen times when the list was definetly a community and the information was definetly useful, and I've seen Robin flame people who really deserved it in some very creative ways (And I have them saved somewhere, if anyone wants a repost ;) ), and then I've seen this. This is useless. We have had more flames lately, and more boring, unoriginal flames, then I think I've seen in some time here. I think the signal-to-noise ratio has gotten to the point where it simply bites. If I want to listen to boring, snotty people whining about pointless shit, I'll go watch talk shows. I assume everyone here has an IQ above room temperature, and a maturity somewhat above middle school, and I think we should act it. As a suggestion, I think that when someone asks a really clueless question, even a faq (perhaps esspecially a faq) a response with the pointer to the answer and a gentle admonition to RTFM or RTFF would be the most appropriate and most useful way of dealing with them. For example > I can't use pine if I don't turn on my computer first. What's wrong? Well, you'll find that it is impossible to design pine so that it can run outside of the computer. More information on this may be found at http://www.somedumbsite.com/really-stupid-faq. Please remember to read the faq next time as it saves us time and energy in repeating our answer and saves you time and energy waiting for us to repeat our answers. Useful replies will be read and perhaps replied to. Boring flames and replies that say "You must be a luser because you don't want us to flame the lusers" will be forwarded to /dev/null. If you want flame wars, read alt.flame or go to onelist and make your own flame war list. This is about pine, and I don't have a problem with the occasional weird discussion (making toast, anyone?) or the occasional well written (intelligent and humourous are always good), deserved flame (or even undeserved, if it's well written enough ;) ), but the boring, pointless flame wars of recent have gotten very old. And no, I'm not going to leave, because I happen to like what this list was, and I don't intend to let it die simply because of a few, stupid flame wars. Vinnie -- a safe place for all of the pieces that scatter learn to pretend there's more than love that matters - e saliers Obligatory pathetic website at http://www.ashawna.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:54:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA15635 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:54:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA15860; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:54:09 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id QAA04436; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:53:45 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id QAA28450 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:52:00 -0800 Received: from mg1.rockymtn.net (mailserv.rockymtn.net [166.93.205.11]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA06682 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:52:00 -0800 Received: from rainbow.rmi.net (rainbow [166.93.8.14]) by mg1.rockymtn.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA03243 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:51:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from geekpad.nerdherd.net (manuka@geekpad.nerdherd.net [166.93.72.131]) by rainbow.rmi.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA28356 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:51:17 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:51:59 -0700 (MST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ian Hall-Beyer To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Dealing with lusers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: manuka@tuvok.geekpad.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN For those of you havong problems with certain members of the list, This entry works just great for me... # lusers :0: *^From:@kens.com /dev/null -Ian ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:06:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA17044 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:06:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA16039; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:06:12 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id RAA12699; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:05:34 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id RAA29000 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:03:42 -0800 Received: from mg1.rockymtn.net (mailserv.rockymtn.net [166.93.205.11]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA31325 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:03:38 -0800 Received: from rainbow.rmi.net (rainbow [166.93.8.14]) by mg1.rockymtn.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA04628 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:03:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from geekpad.nerdherd.net (manuka@geekpad.nerdherd.net [166.93.72.131]) by rainbow.rmi.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03215 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:02:59 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:03:43 -0700 (MST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ian Hall-Beyer To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: List suggestions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: manuka@tuvok.geekpad.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Sean Farley wrote: > I claim it was drug induced. I took normal instead of non-drowsy cold > medicine. :) What fun is that? From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:17:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA07445 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:17:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA16174; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:16:54 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id RAA22519; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:16:26 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id RAA31578 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:14:36 -0800 Received: from chinet.com (lagnaf-1.soho.enteract.com [216.80.30.1]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA09538 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:14:35 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA08242 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:14:36 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:14:36 -0600 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Don't like it??? *sigh* In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Clueful still insists on sending duplicate replies to the list and to my mailbox separately. It is now clear that he is being deliberately provocative. >From: Yasholomew Yashinski >Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:00:03 -0500 (EST) >On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: >>In other words, you don't intend to use the list according to its stated >>purpose. >I *HAVE* to reply here, to a a paragraph I found: >* You may also be able to find the answer to your problem, if it has > been discussed before, in the message archives of the Pine-Info > mailing list. Note, however, that many perceived "Pine-problems" > may actually have nothing to do with Pine itself, but be > indicative of another problem on the system running Pine, so only > your local computer support people will be able to ascertain and > correct the cause. That is an instruction to new users to check the archives before asking their question on the list, an excellent admonition. >I also found: >* The electronic mailing list Pine-Info covers features, bugs & > workarounds, usage, installation, customization and more pertaining to > the Pine software. >It also says it primarily for admins, but stating the above sentence, >and the fact it is unmoderated, be prepared to answer non-admin questions. >Until the new users have a place to ask there questions, this seems like >the only mailing-list they have to turn too. This is a unique interpretation. >So Adam, until you learn how to properly address me, and your elders, keep >reading. Just how old are you? You blame sending duplicate messages to me on senility? From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:21:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA25275 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:21:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA04514; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:21:13 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id RAA22765; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:20:46 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id RAA14590 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:19:13 -0800 Received: from chinet.com (lagnaf-1.soho.enteract.com [216.80.30.1]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA30952 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:19:12 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA08344 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:19:13 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:19:13 -0600 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: List suggestions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:24:43 -0500 (EST) >From: Yasholomew Yashinski > I applaud Bob for his efforts, as I agree with his email, and the fact >he has taken the first step. I've also decided this flame-thread is >getting rather boring, and have decided to keep any further >replies/flaming off-list, as it can go on forever, and this is not the >appropriate channel. What is the appropriate channel to get you to end your own lack of etiquette and discontinue your annoying practice of sending duplicate replies? Do correct your own behavior first before looking for fault in others. No one on the list cared whether or not you are bored with this thread. Feel free to make no further responses. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:49:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA28390 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:49:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA16528; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:49:50 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id RAA24249; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:49:20 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id RAA28500 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:47:38 -0800 Received: from luomat.peak.org (port-69-ts1-gnv.da.fdt.net [209.212.132.228]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA03630 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:47:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199812090143.UAA21108@ocalhost> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:43:10 -0500 Reply-To: public+Lists\/Unix\/Pine@fdt.net Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Timothy J Luoma To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: moderation and banning people In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Image-URL: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/luomat@peak.org.tiff X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Author: Nancy this-address-is-valid McGough Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 13:59:13 -0500 (EST) ID: > For this self moderation to work, we need to add info to the FAQ > about how to deal with abusive participants and how to "kill" > them. Why do people keep thinking the people who won't read the FAQ before they post will read the FAQ if we add more to it? > What do other people think about banning some people and/or > moderation? I vote for moderation, and I will gladly ban anyone who refuses to read the documentation or flames an _ON_TOPIC_ post. TjL From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:51:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA23721 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:51:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA16550; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:51:44 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id RAA29572; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:50:58 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id RAA09580 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:47:40 -0800 Received: from luomat.peak.org (port-69-ts1-gnv.da.fdt.net [209.212.132.228]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA03651 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:47:35 -0800 Message-Id: <199812090141.UAA21059@ocalhost> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:41:14 -0500 Reply-To: public+Lists\/Unix\/Pine@fdt.net Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Timothy J Luoma To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: List suggestions In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Image-URL: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/luomat@peak.org.tiff X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Author: Miles Fidelman Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:32:48 -0500 (EST) ID: > just a thought: can ListProc be configured to insert a couple of lines of > text to every list message (I know majordomo can) - say: Unfortunately people won't even read the documentation about how to unsubscribe which is already at the foot of each message They certainly won't bother to read the FAQ. The only true answer is a moderated list. I'll offer to moderate it, and promise not to use a single coarse word (and certainly nothing like what Stephanie used) in any of my responses. TjL From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:53:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA26472 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:53:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA16568; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:52:59 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id RAA29680; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:52:31 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id RAA34782 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:49:25 -0800 Received: from luomat.peak.org (port-69-ts1-gnv.da.fdt.net [209.212.132.228]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA32292 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:49:21 -0800 Message-Id: <199812090149.UAA21558@ocalhost> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:49:15 -0500 Reply-To: public+Lists\/Unix\/Pine@fdt.net Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Timothy J Luoma To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Thanks to all who helped me ! In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Image-URL: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/luomat@peak.org.tiff X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Author: Yasholomew Yashinski Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:21:53 -0500 (EST) ID: > However being inexperienced with pine-info, You should note that > name-calling, is not tolerated on this list Um.... Yashy.... Robin has been on the list a LOT longer than you. And who said anything about what is "not tolerated" on the list? Who decides that? We can't even agree that off-topic posts are not tolerated, and now you, a newbie, want to dictate to a long-time member? You're not making a great impression by trying to put down Robin as "inexperienced" since he has far more knowledge about PINE than you or me. TjL From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:55:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA26477 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:55:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA04809; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:55:38 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id RAA08209; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:55:05 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id RAA31422 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:53:24 -0800 Received: from luomat.peak.org (port-69-ts1-gnv.da.fdt.net [209.212.132.228]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA14064 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:53:22 -0800 Message-Id: <199812090153.UAA21725@ocalhost> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:53:15 -0500 Reply-To: public+Lists\/Unix\/Pine@fdt.net Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Timothy J Luoma To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Don't like it??? *sigh* In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Image-URL: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/luomat@peak.org.tiff X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Author: Yasholomew Yashinski Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:00:03 -0500 (EST) ID: > > Clueful, do NOT reply to both the list and the author, unless you are > > deliberately trying to be provocative. > > Dearest Adam, as stated before, I will not reply to Clueful, so you > can find somewhere to shove your questions/blabbing. Um.... you have replied to it, since you replied to the message AND mentioned it. > It also says it primarily for admins, but stating the above > sentence, and the fact it is unmoderated, be prepared to answer > non-admin questions. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Just because a list is unmoderated DOES NOT mean that we have to reply to off-topic posts. > Until the new users have a place to ask there questions, this > seems like the only mailing-list they have to turn too. They HAVE a place: comp.mail.pine. How difficult is that????? It is on the START PAGE for PINE at http://www.washington.edu/pine/#Contact It is actually HARDER for them to find out about the mailing list, which then explicitly states: The electronic mailing list Pine-Info covers features, bugs & workarounds, usage, installation, customization and more pertaining to the Pine software. While unmoderated, it is intended primarily for discussion of matters of interest to systems/email administrators, developers, trainers, user support personnel, and others involved with Pine messaging on a "technical" level. 'administrators, developers, trainers, user support personnel, and others involved with Pine messaging on a "technical" level.' It is clear enough, if people bother to read. They don't. Do we give up and let the list be a duplication of the FAQ and the newsgroup? I say no, a thousand times no. Just being able to subscribe to a list does not allow you to dictate what is acceptable for that list. There are rules, and you need to follow them. It's not complex. TjL From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:59:31 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA24025 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:59:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA16624; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:59:23 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id RAA00221; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:58:49 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id RAA16048 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:57:13 -0800 Received: from luomat.peak.org (port-69-ts1-gnv.da.fdt.net [209.212.132.228]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA00444 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:57:11 -0800 Message-Id: <199812090157.UAA21847@ocalhost> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:57:05 -0500 Reply-To: public+Lists\/Unix\/Pine@fdt.net Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Timothy J Luoma To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Dealing with lusers In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Image-URL: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/luomat@peak.org.tiff X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Author: Ian Hall-Beyer Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:51:59 -0700 (MST) ID: > # lusers > :0: > *^From:@kens.com > /dev/null You don't need to lockfile /dev/null Also, your From: line will never match anything as-is, you need a .* before the @ and a space after the colon, preferably a tab or space option Oh, and you should escape the . too so it doesn't match as a wildcard. :0 * ^From:[ ].*@kens\.com /dev/null There's a space then tab in that [ ] Hey, if we're going to go offtopic into procmail recipes, let's at least get them syntactically correct. TjL From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:11:31 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id SAA15995 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:11:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id SAA16739; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:11:24 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id SAA25616; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:10:23 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id SAA09548 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:08:40 -0800 Received: from kens.com (kens.com [209.70.169.2]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id SAA01566 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:08:39 -0800 Received: from kens.com (kens.com [209.70.169.2]) by kens.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA24185; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:08:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:08:38 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: Ken Woods Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ken Woods To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Dealing with lusers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Ian Hall-Beyer X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Yep, that'd be good. Filter a whole domain. [/etc] uname -n kens.com [/etc] wc -l /etc/passwd 2532 /etc/passwd [/etc] Let alone the fact that I've only posted 3 messages since Friday, all of them constructive. You people /really/ need to get over me, and move on. Or filter me. Whatever. But, for christs sake, do it correctly. On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Ian Hall-Beyer wrote: > For those of you havong problems with certain members of the list, > This entry works just great for me... > > # lusers > :0: > *^From:@kens.com > /dev/null -- Ken Woods kwoods@kens.com From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:30:12 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id SAA08476 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id SAA05032; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:30:05 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id SAA09988; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:29:33 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id SAA29030 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:27:55 -0800 Received: from mg1.rockymtn.net (mailserv.rockymtn.net [166.93.205.11]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id SAA05707 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:27:55 -0800 Received: from rainbow.rmi.net (rainbow [166.93.8.14]) by mg1.rockymtn.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA11674; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:27:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from geekpad.nerdherd.net (manuka@geekpad.nerdherd.net [166.93.72.131]) by rainbow.rmi.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03856; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:27:11 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:27:57 -0700 (MST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ian Hall-Beyer To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Dealing with lusers In-Reply-To: <199812090157.UAA21847@ocalhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Timothy J Luoma X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: manuka@tuvok.geekpad.org X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Timothy J Luoma wrote: > > # lusers > > :0: > > *^From:@kens.com > > /dev/null > You don't need to lockfile /dev/null ? > Also, your From: line will never match anything as-is, you need a .* before > the @ and a space after the colon, preferably a tab or space option Odd, cuz I haven't seen mail from Ken in about 2 months, or about when I added this little recipe. Mebbe it just happened to randomly work. > Hey, if we're going to go offtopic into procmail recipes, let's at least get > them syntactically correct. Heh, sure, why not. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:18:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id UAA27432 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:18:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id UAA17618; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:18:26 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id UAA21754; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:18:00 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id UAA16946 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:15:43 -0800 Received: from luomat.peak.org (port-16-ts1-gnv.da.fdt.net [209.212.132.175]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id UAA16641 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:15:41 -0800 Message-Id: <199812090415.XAA26068@ocalhost> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:15:34 -0500 Reply-To: public+Lists\/Unix\/Pine@fdt.net Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Timothy J Luoma To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Dealing with lusers In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Image-URL: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/luomat@peak.org.tiff X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Author: Ian Hall-Beyer Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:27:57 -0700 (MST) ID: > > You don't need to lockfile /dev/null > > ? The second colon in the first line of the recipe :0: is a lockfile which gets placed on the "mailbox", which is the 3rd line of the recipe /dev/null so it will create /dev/null.lock to keep other files from being written to /dev/null at the same time. Lockfiles are used to prevent corruption of the mailbox. In this case, since the mailbox is /dev/null, it makes no sense to have a lockfile on it. > > Also, your From: line will never match anything as-is, you need a .* > > before the @ and a space after the colon, preferably a tab or space > > option > > Odd, cuz I haven't seen mail from Ken in about 2 months, or about when I > added this little recipe. Mebbe it just happened to randomly work. That is strange. It "shouldn't" work because it isn't "correct" but if you say so.... still, as a model, there are improvements I would suggest in an attempt to achieve correctness even when it doesn't seem 100% in all cases. (for example, your recipe could match @kensicom.com or any other domain name with a 'kens' and 'com' separated by one letter.... just happens to be that the email you want to filter has that one letter as a '.' Real procmail fanatics would have you use \< and \> to delimit beginning and ends of strings, but I never got into that personally) TjL ps -- please do not CC me on any further replies, I'm on the list and don't need/want/desire/appreciate getting duplicate emails. Thanks From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:42:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id VAA26704 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:42:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id VAA18189; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:42:27 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id VAA10050; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:41:53 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id VAA14322 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:40:02 -0800 Received: from q3.quik.com (q3.quik.com [209.213.140.5]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id VAA24787 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:40:02 -0800 Received: from ops_svr (ip204.anaheim.quik.com [209.213.139.204]) by q3.quik.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA43956 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 05:37:31 GMT Message-Id: <001e01be2336$da35fd10$f28bd5d1@ops_svr> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:43:30 -0800 Reply-To: Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Colin J. Raven" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: Flame wars: cool it. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN For what it's worth, here's my $.02 on this issue: 1. I used to get irate at flamers, as well as lusers. That was before I really got into procmail and accumulated an healthy appreciation for it...ummm, maybe that's not exactly the point. 2. More likely the point is this, a delete key works just like procmail. Flamers vs lusers: 1. Sometimes, we inadvertently incite the flamers by protesting to/about their rants, insults and generally supercilious nonsense. 2. To flame a newbie (or other non-faq reader) is counter-productive, *except* in the most extreme circumstances. Moderation vs Open List: 1. I used to be an advocate of a moderated list, not so any more I must admit. We have to be able to exchange opinions without a human filter. 2.If anyone here belongs to the HTML Writers Guild, you will know that there's an example of a moderated list gone nuts. One sentence that doesn't relate *exclusively* to the topic is crunched by a "censor" (sorry "moderator"), with elaborate repetitive posts pounding home the point. After a while, the moderator is the offender! It's also a humorless environment BTW. Conclusion: Open beats moderated hands down Other Issues: In my opinion, the FAQ's themselves could be better written. They are written as though the reader knows the subject well, and is referring to them as a memory refresher only (like man pages). Having said that, I'm gonna get flamed for it I know...ah well c'est la guerre. The most likely response may well be; "if you believe they are so badly written, do the whole Pine community a favor and re-write 'em" Well, I'm not going to do that. It's an observation only...period. If the newbies can't be practioners of common sense, and the flamers have to be excessively demonstrative of their enhanced knowledge level, and the readers cannot tolerate the expanded discussion..there's: a) procmail b) the delete key c) Unsubscription Moderation is a word with innumerable possible definitions. It's a quality, a necessity when exchanging opinions in a civilized society. No one asks that another hold a "moderate opinion". The opinions we all hold on various subjects are sacrosanct unto the holder. We ask that others express that opinion or position with conviction and passion. The manner of delivery must be moderated when the sensibilities of others are concerned. As has been said; " I disagree with your position, but I shall defend to the death your right to express it" The absent factor in that equation is civility. Civil discourse is a foundation of the political process. It doesn't dilute the subject, it merely allows the principals to exchange strongly held views with clarity, and absent the passions that accompany the riposte to a percieved insult or slight. As said above, that's my $0.02 worth, delivered civilly and with profound respect for the real contributors to this list, (all of whom know more than I do BTW) To my frend Robin (before his defection to kens.com, but still my friend nonetheless) Ed, TjL, Shoeless, Adam, Vinnie, Norbert, Ian Regards, -Colin. -- Colin J. Raven VP Operations, HDS Lab, Inc. Costa Mesa, CA | Harrsion, NY http://linus.uhmc.sunysb.edu/~colin/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:12:54 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id WAA28387 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:12:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id WAA18384; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:12:44 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id WAA06264; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:12:24 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id WAA38102 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:09:59 -0800 Received: from q3.quik.com (q3.quik.com [209.213.140.5]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id WAA29197 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:09:48 -0800 Received: from ops_svr (ip204.anaheim.quik.com [209.213.139.204]) by q3.quik.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA118444 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:07:22 GMT Message-Id: <002001be233b$05630290$f28bd5d1@ops_svr> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:13:21 -0800 Reply-To: Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Colin J. Raven" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: RE: Dealing with lusers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: "Pine Discussion Forum" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Umm, on Sunday 7/26/98 I posted the following, specifically to deal with Ken.... If anyone has procmail set up, this is the perfect way to silently banish Ken, his rantings, profanity, and generally offensive behavior... :0 *^From:.*@kens.com /dev/null Then, I did some reading (Ken, it's called RTFM OK?) and came up with the following, which is probably *the* correct way to deal with the Kens of this world...tank their mail, and autorespond 'em, informing them of said fact! # This recipe will generate an autoreply header and bounce this # nastygram back # to the sender. # Note the lack of a c flag which means that we never see this mail. :0 * ^From: .*@ kens.com | (formail -brt ; \ echo "I'm ignoring your mail because you are offensive." ;\ echo "Your email was automatically rejected by Procmail." ;\ echo "Sooner or later, you will learn humility." ;\ echo ""; \ echo " -me" ;\ ) | $SENDMAIL -oi -t ## This recipe was created by Joe Gross (jgross@uiuc.edu) and can be found ## in the public domain at; ## http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/procmail/bounce.html But then again, he probably /dev/null'ed all my posts anyway, so he probably never read it. I haven't read anything from him since then, so I have no clue. By the way, for the sake of bandwidth preservation, I tanked the autoreply, since others share the network too, but you get the general idea. Don't lockfile /dev/null BTW, it's unecessary. There's something else that should be escaped, I think it occurs right after kens.com, but I'm too braindead to put it together. What you have above will work though. The problem with this is that you will miss anything Robin writes, since he's a user on the kens.com machine...which is a pity, since what Robin has to say is not only relevant, but acquired through self learning, which is doubly valuable. Robin doesn't use bandwidth for useless profanity, at least what he says is in context, and can be a dose of reality. Regards, -Colin -- Colin J. Raven VP Operations, HDS Lab, Inc. Costa Mesa, CA | Harrison, NY http://linus.uhmc.sunysb.edu/~colin/ >For those of you havong problems with certain members of the list, > >This entry works just great for me... > ># lusers >:0: >*^From:@kens.com >/dev/null From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:43:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id WAA28336 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:43:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id WAA18616; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:43:32 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id WAA20572; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:43:09 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id WAA19118 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:41:28 -0800 Received: from kens.com (kens.com [209.70.169.2]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id WAA26981 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:41:27 -0800 Received: from kens.com (kens.com [209.70.169.2]) by kens.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA25842 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:41:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:41:27 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: Ken Woods Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ken Woods To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Ken Woods/kens.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN You people need to get a grip. I've HONESTLY _tried_ to let this stuff die down. However, you are all feeding off each others "KW is an asshole" messages. Pretty soon, I'm going to be the cause for all of the problems on the planet, as well as the reason that pine doesn't have "XYZ" features. Guess what people??? I've posted exactly TWO messages since Friday, and both of those were helpful. However, still, the major topic of conversation seems to be "How big of an asshole is Ken Woods" [1] Get over it already!!! Those of you that are long time members know this pattern, as we've been thru it before. 1. lusers get on my nerves 2. I vent. [2] 3. Everybody complains and calls me an asshole [3] 4. I stop venting. 5. lusers start asking stupid questions again. (goto step 1) The whole cycle takes about 6 months to go thru. It's been happening for years. It's like the sun and the moon. There's nothing you can do to stop it. It's going to happen. Don't fight it. I'm not going to change, and neither is the pine-info list. Bascially, just stop. I've said that I was going to leave the list alone, and try to be constructive. procmailing the whole domain, along with 2500 users, is NOT the answer. -- Ken Woods kwoods@kens.com [1] For those of you that don't know, that's a self-proclamation...see www.kens.com for details [2] Me venting, includes profanity. Profanity stirs emotion. That's my ONLY purpose in using it. [3] See [1] ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:59:09 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id XAA29269 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:59:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id XAA19044; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:58:55 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id XAA29707; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:58:36 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id XAA29182 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:56:54 -0800 Received: from tam.dorsai.org (root@tam.dorsai.org [206.127.32.35]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id XAA15099 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:56:54 -0800 Received: from amanda (soma@amanda.dorsai.org [206.127.32.130]) by tam.dorsai.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA12026; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:59:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:59:44 -0500 (est) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: *selah* To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: enabling save on crash In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Jan Kalin X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: soma@amanda X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Jan Kalin wrote: > On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote: > > > On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Shoeless in San Jose wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Yasholomew Yashinski wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, *selah* wrote: > > > > > > > > > I understand that pine uses the pico editor. I was wondering if there's a > > > > > way to enable pico to automatically save if a post gets interupted by a > > > > > disconnect? > > > > the computer that Pine was running on. It is a Linux computer and > > it was an orderly shut down, i.e. processes were signalled. > > > > So, if it's interrupted by a disconnect, I guess you'd be okay. > > If Selah is running M$ Windoze I wouldn't be convinced that is the case. > I do have a suggestion, though. > > Pico is s standalone program as well as being incorporated into Pine as > the 'internal' editor. What you can try is configure Pine to use the > standalone Pico as your alternate editor ("editor" variable in config). > You can invoke it either manually with ^_ (+) or have it > enabled implicitly ("enable-alternate-editor-implicitly" variable in > config). In either case you are then actually editing a temporary file on > disk, and even if Pine gets disconnected, the file can probably be saved > under a different name and pulled back later. Try and see (and tell us if > it works). Actually, I'm only talking about pico - not pine. The problem isn't happening with pine - it's happening with slrn. Also, we're using a shell account on the isp, (we also have a ppp account but prefer to use the shell alot of times cause it's much faster.) > > I actually always use an alternate editor for two reasons. First is that I > am used to 'vi' and prefer it to Pico. The second is that I have a > relatively poor connection to my IMAP server and even if the connection > acts up (no response from server for up to a few minutes), you can still > compose your text. If you get a flaky connection while composing with the > internal Pico, everything freezes up until the connection is > reestablished. > > Cheers, > Jan > > -- > Jan Kalin (male, preferred languages: Slovene, English) > contact information > > > > > > > -- > Jan Kalin (male, preferred languages: Slovene, English) > contact information > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:50:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA11087 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:50:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA27248; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:50:50 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id LAA23300; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:50:15 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id LAA31868 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:46:50 -0800 Received: from eis-msg-012.jpl.nasa.gov (eis-msg-012.jpl.nasa.gov [137.78.160.195]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA05563 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:46:45 -0800 Received: from psdg.jpl.nasa.gov by eis-msg-012.jpl.nasa.gov; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:46:30 -0800 Received: by psdg.jpl.nasa.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA09760; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:46:32 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:46:29 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Chuck Goodhart To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Externally forced check for new mail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: ceg@psdg.jpl.nasa.gov X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN This email includes a patch to provide a way for another process to force a running PINE process to check for new mail. My incoming email is sorted (by procmail) into various local files, which PINE monitors as Incoming-Folders. If the procmail process could force a new mail check after delivery, I could increase my mail-check-interval from 15 and yet get instant notification of new mail. The patch adds a handler for SIGUSR1. Patterned after the handler for SIGWINCH, receipt of the SIGUSR1 signal causes the next check for input (or the currently active one, if any) to return a NO_OP_IDLE, simulating a mail-check-interval timeout. Additionally, the "new_mail" code is flagged to force a check regardless of the actual timeout status. ======== begin patch ======== --- pine4.05/pine/osdep/termin.unx.orig Tue Mar 31 12:09:12 1998 +++ pine4.05/pine/osdep/termin.unx Sun Dec 6 12:09:58 1998 @@ -175,6 +175,9 @@ int ready_for_winch = 0; #endif +extern jmp_buf usr1_state; +extern int ready_for_usr1, usr1_progress; + /*---------------------------------------------------------------------- This checks whether or not a character (UNIX) is ready to be read, or it times out. @@ -212,6 +215,27 @@ ready_for_winch = 1; #endif /* RESIZING */ + if(usr1_progress <= 1){ + if(setjmp(usr1_state) != 0){ + usr1_progress = 2; + ready_for_usr1 = 0; + + /* + * Need to unblock signal after longjmp from handler, because + * signal is normally unblocked upon routine exit from the handler. + */ + our_sigunblock(SIGUSR1); + } + else + ready_for_usr1 = 1; + } + + if(usr1_progress > 1){ + ready_for_usr1 = 0; + usr1_progress = 1; /* one more step: force "new_mail()" */ + return(NO_OP_IDLE); + } + switch(res=input_ready(time_out)){ case BAIL_OUT: read_bail(); /* non-tragic exit */ @@ -231,6 +255,7 @@ #ifdef RESIZING ready_for_winch = 0; #endif + ready_for_usr1 = 0; return(res); } } --- pine4.05/pine/signals.c.orig Tue Sep 1 12:48:42 1998 +++ pine4.05/pine/signals.c Sun Dec 6 09:48:37 1998 @@ -46,6 +46,7 @@ - Not much to do for SIGHUP - Not much to do for SIGTERM - turn SIGWINCH into a KEY_RESIZE command + - turn SIGUSR1 into a NO_OP_IDLE with "new_mail()" forced - No signals for ^Z/suspend, but do it here anyway - Also set up the signal handlers, and hold signals for critical imap sections of code. @@ -67,6 +68,7 @@ /* SigType is defined in os.h and is either int or void */ static SigType auger_in_signal SIG_PROTO((int)); static SigType winch_signal SIG_PROTO((int)); +static SigType usr1_signal SIG_PROTO((int)); static SigType usr2_signal SIG_PROTO((int)); static SigType alarm_signal SIG_PROTO((int)); static SigType intr_signal SIG_PROTO((int)); @@ -111,6 +113,8 @@ init_sigwinch(); + signal(SIGUSR1, usr1_signal); + /* * Set up SIGUSR2 to catch signal from other software using the * c-client to tell us that other access to the folder is being @@ -462,6 +466,37 @@ } +#if !defined(DOS) && !defined(OS2) +/*---------------------------------------------------------------------- + Handle check mail signal -- SIGUSR1 + + Similarly to SIGWINCH, the signal is processed by causing a fake key + event to be injected into the command stream. In this case the fake key + is NO_OP_IDLE. In addition, the next call to "new_mail" will behave as + if called with "force" set to 1. + The comments above "winch_signal" regarding setjmp/longjmp also apply + to this function. + ----------------------------------------------------------------------*/ +jmp_buf usr1_state; +int ready_for_usr1 = 0; +int usr1_progress = 0; + +SigType +static usr1_signal SIG_PROTO((int sig)) +{ + dprint(9,(debugfile, "SIGUSR1 ready_for_usr1: %d usr1_progress:%d\n", + ready_for_usr1, usr1_progress)); + signal(SIGUSR1, usr1_signal); + if(ready_for_usr1) + longjmp(usr1_state, 1); + else + usr1_progress = 2; /* two steps in processing: */ + /* (1) inject NO_OP_IDLE */ + /* (2) force "new_mail()" */ +} +#endif + + #ifdef SIGCHLD /*---------------------------------------------------------------------- Handle child status change -- SIGCHLD @@ -1107,6 +1142,7 @@ SigType (*hold_term) SIG_PROTO((int)); #if !defined(DOS) && !defined(OS2) SigType (*hold_hup) SIG_PROTO((int)); +SigType (*hold_usr1) SIG_PROTO((int)); SigType (*hold_usr2) SIG_PROTO((int)); #endif @@ -1123,6 +1159,7 @@ stream = stream; /* For compiler complaints that this isn't used */ #if !defined(DOS) && !defined(OS2) hold_hup = signal(SIGHUP, SIG_IGN); + hold_usr1 = signal(SIGUSR1, SIG_IGN); hold_usr2 = signal(SIGUSR2, SIG_IGN); #endif hold_int = signal(SIGINT, SIG_IGN); @@ -1144,6 +1181,7 @@ #if !defined(DOS) && !defined(OS2) (void)signal(SIGHUP, hold_hup); + (void)signal(SIGUSR1, hold_usr1); (void)signal(SIGUSR2, hold_usr2); #endif (void)signal(SIGINT, hold_int); --- pine4.05/pine/newmail.c.orig Fri Aug 21 19:33:02 1998 +++ pine4.05/pine/newmail.c Sun Dec 6 10:51:07 1998 @@ -108,6 +108,18 @@ if(!force && pine_state->unsorted_newmail) force = !(flags & NM_DEFER_SORT); +#if !defined(DOS) && !defined(OS2) + { + extern int usr1_progress; + + if(usr1_progress != 0){ + /* finish SIGUSR1 handling */ + usr1_progress = 0; + force = 1; + } + } +#endif + /* * only check every 15 seconds, unless we're compelled to */ ======== end patch ======== -- Chuck Goodhart ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:52:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA12177 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:52:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA27264; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:52:36 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id LAA23429; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:52:13 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id LAA14450 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:47:10 -0800 Received: from eis-msg-012.jpl.nasa.gov (eis-msg-012.jpl.nasa.gov [137.78.160.195]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA31741 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:47:09 -0800 Received: from psdg.jpl.nasa.gov by eis-msg-012.jpl.nasa.gov; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:47:05 -0800 Received: by psdg.jpl.nasa.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA09771; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:47:07 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:47:05 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Chuck Goodhart To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Small race condition with SIGWINCH MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: ceg@psdg.jpl.nasa.gov X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN The following patch fixes a small race condition in the handling of the SIGWINCH signal: ======== begin patch ======== *** pine4.05/pine/osdep/termin.unx.orig Tue Mar 31 12:09:12 1998 --- pine4.05/pine/osdep/termin.unx Sun Dec 6 12:19:58 1998 *************** *** 194,215 **** fflush(stdout); #ifdef RESIZING ! if(winch_occured || setjmp(winch_state) != 0){ ! ready_for_winch = 0; ! fix_windsize(ps_global); ! /* ! * May need to unblock signal after longjmp from handler, because ! * signal is normally unblocked upon routine exit from the handler. ! */ ! if(!winch_occured) ! our_sigunblock(SIGWINCH); winch_occured = 0; return(KEY_RESIZE); } - else - ready_for_winch = 1; #endif /* RESIZING */ switch(res=input_ready(time_out)){ --- 194,220 ---- fflush(stdout); #ifdef RESIZING ! if(!winch_occured){ ! if(setjmp(winch_state) != 0){ ! winch_occured = 1; ! ready_for_winch = 0; ! /* ! * Need to unblock signal after longjmp from handler, because ! * signal is normally unblocked upon routine exit from the handler. ! */ ! our_sigunblock(SIGWINCH); ! } ! else ! ready_for_winch = 1; ! } + if(winch_occured){ winch_occured = 0; + ready_for_winch = 0; + fix_windsize(ps_global); return(KEY_RESIZE); } #endif /* RESIZING */ switch(res=input_ready(time_out)){ ======== end patch ======== Refering to the original code, if a SIGWINCH signal should be received after the test of "winch_occured" on line 197, but before the setting of "ready_for_winch" on line 212, the signal handler will simply set "winch_occured" and return, delaying the KEY_RESIZE return until after the next keystroke or mail-check-interval timeout. The patch corrects this by checking "winch_occured" again after setting up the jmp_buf "winch_state" and enabling it via "ready_for_winch". -- Chuck Goodhart ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:23:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id OAA10489 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:23:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id OAA18385; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:23:04 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id OAA24636; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:22:25 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id OAA19104 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:20:37 -0800 Received: from attach1.rocketmail.com (attach1.rocketmail.com [205.180.57.81]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with SMTP id OAA28243 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:20:33 -0800 Received: from [207.55.188.247] by attach1; Wed, 09 Dec 1998 14:15:09 PST Message-Id: <19981209221509.1404.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:15:09 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andy Robertson To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Wu-Pine Wu-Imap errors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello all. I am a new member to this list. I have been trying to diagnose a problem with I have been having with Pine 4.05 and WU-Imap4.4/4.5. I am running pine on RedHat 5.1, the server on slackware 3. Both on p5-100 systems with 32 meg ram. The problem is that every few minutes Pine's open mailbox gets closed with an "CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR" message. On the server, this message is logged in /var/log/messages "Dec 7 14:45:34 sec022 imapd[21612]: Fatal mailbox error user=support1 host=xxx.xxx.com [255.255.255.255] mbx=/home/support1/New Mail: Unexpected changes to mailbox (try restarting): F" At this point the Pine email client stops functioning properly (can't read messages) and I have to either restart Pine or move to a different mailbox on a different server and then move back. I have researched this on the pine-info archive and dejanews. And I have found that this is a "feature" on recent versions of the Washington University Imap server. The problem is that multiple processes are accessing the imap mailbox at once. This could be sendmail and a Pine client. Could be two pine clients reading at once. imapd used to switch to a readonly mode when this happened, but the designers removed this readonly mode to conserve memory (at the complaints from many users complaining that imapd is a memory hog) and instead close the connection. They have no plans to ever re-impliment this mode. Pine is the only mail client that I have found that finds this to be a problem. Netscape and IE are not even fazed by this, they simply connect again. Here is my question, how do I fix this problem? Preferrably on the server side. I have heard one suggestion that using qmail and maildirs with imap would fix it, but I have found the qmail IMAP patches to be slightly kludgy, either not working or leaving apparent junk in the mail dirs (my CEO is obsessed with clutter....). Does anyone know of any other ways to fix this? Does the Cyrus imap server have this problem? I have tried to use it in the past, but ran into problems. The Sendmail/Procmail/Imapd team is much cleaner. Is there an option in pine what would tell it to just reconnect? I have found Pine to be an excellent mail client. So far I have managed to find a configuration option to fix every problem that I have had.... This problem only rarely shows up with less used users. Through this one imap user we have three connecting clients and about 20k messages a day (most of which are filtered by Procmail). That is why I see the problem every few minutes ;) Thanks to everyone for reading this! I'm open to any suggestions. I would prefer to stick with wu-imapd/wu-pine, but would consider changing either or both of these if it fixes the problem. aNDY Classified: I am currently in the market for a jumping mexican bean bag chair. If you have one in stock, please contact me. 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:19:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA17535 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:19:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA20826; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:17:14 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id QAA00445; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:15:31 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id QAA25416 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:13:50 -0800 Received: from prfdec.natur.cuni.cz (prfdec.natur.cuni.cz [195.113.56.1]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA22515 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:13:48 -0800 Received: (from mmokrejs@localhost) by prfdec.natur.cuni.cz (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id BAA13288; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 01:13:46 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 01:13:43 +0100 (MET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Martin Mokrejs To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Wu-Pine Wu-Imap errors In-Reply-To: <19981209221509.1404.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Re: Andy Robertson AR> I am a new member to this list. I have been trying AR> to diagnose a problem with I have been having with AR> Pine 4.05 and WU-Imap4.4/4.5. I am running pine on AR> RedHat 5.1, the server on slackware 3. Both on AR> p5-100 systems with 32 meg ram. AR> AR> The problem is that every few minutes Pine's open AR> mailbox gets closed with an "CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS AR> ERROR" message. On the server, this message is AR> logged in /var/log/messages "Dec 7 14:45:34 sec022 AR> imapd[21612]: Fatal mailbox error user=support1 AR> host=xxx.xxx.com [255.255.255.255] I have same problems on Digital Unix 4.0D while using pine 4.05. I'd to mention, that I posted similar question a month ago, no response! I'm using only pine, however, system runs sendmail/procmail, Qualcomm popper 2.53 and Imap 4.1. However, I do not use any pop3 or imap clients to read messages. Pine dumps core when it detects new message in INBOX. That's most often when quitting pine, while it most probably wants to _update_ INBOX and delete some messages. it happens also when you for example delete all you new messages in some previous session, and when messages are delivered during your new session. signal IOT/Abort trap at >*[__kill, 0x3ff800ea6c8] beq r19, 0x3ff800ea6e0 (dbx) where > 0 __kill(0x3ff800df210, 0x3ffc0085c98, 0x0, 0x100000000, 0x3ff80177488) [0x3ff800ea6c8] 1 (unknown)() [0x3ff8019e770] 2 __tis_raise(0x3ff80177488, 0x1400b6868, 0x3ff801147cc, 0x6, 0x3ff80160aec) [0x3ff801147c8] 3 raise(0x3ff801147cc, 0x6, 0x3ff80160aec, 0xffffffffffffffff, 0x3ff801774b4) [0x3ff80160ae8] 4 abort(0x120179f1c, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0xf00000000) [0x3ff801774b0] 5 coredump() ["os.c":881, 0x120179f18] 6 panic(message = 0x1400b6868 = "Received abort signal") ["pine.c":2963, 0x12013dd30] 7 auger_in_signal() ["signals.c":220, 0x12015eba4] DBX Fault: Segmentation fault When I investigated the problem with dumped cores from full-debug binaries, it seemed that pine "correctly" exits because of SIGKILL or SIGHUP. In some rare cases pine reported "CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR" while reading messages. But again, most often it dumps while browsing INBOX and new message appears or while quitting. It seems that turning off the option mail-check-interval made the problem less frequent. I'm also waiting for some patches. ;) Martin Mokrejs From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:29:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id WAA13631 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:29:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id WAA05519; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:29:38 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id WAA05283; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:28:01 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id WAA36284 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:25:11 -0800 Received: from eis-msg-012.jpl.nasa.gov (eis-msg-012.jpl.nasa.gov [137.78.160.195]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id WAA12117 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:25:10 -0800 Received: from psdg.jpl.nasa.gov by eis-msg-012.jpl.nasa.gov; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:25:08 -0800 Received: by psdg.jpl.nasa.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA14016; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:25:09 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:25:06 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Chuck Goodhart To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Bug in SHORTDATE4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: ceg@psdg.jpl.nasa.gov X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Using an index-format of: STATUS MSGNO SHORTDATE3 FROMORTO(33%) SIZE SUBJECT(67%) in an 80 character wide screen (with a folder with less than 1000 messages) yields field widths of: STATUS = 3 MSGNO = 3 SHORTDATE3 = 8 FROMORTO = 17 SIZE = 8 SUBJECT = 36 However, replacing SHORTDATE3 with SHORTDATE4 i.e.: STATUS MSGNO SHORTDATE4 FROMORTO(33%) SIZE SUBJECT(67%) yields field widths of: STATUS = 3 MSGNO = 3 SHORTDATE4 = 8 FROMORTO = 25 SIZE = 8 SUBJECT = 28 The incorrect percentage width calculation is caused by a minor typo, which can be fixed by the following patch: ======== begin patch ==================================================== --- pine4.05/pine/mailindx.c.orig Wed Sep 2 09:22:21 1998 +++ pine4.05/pine/mailindx.c Sat Dec 12 16:44:32 1998 @@ -2154,7 +2154,7 @@ break; case 10: - targetctype = iS3Date; + targetctype = iS4Date; break; case 11: ======== end patch ====================================================== However, the following patch, which replaces the entire switch statement and explicitly numbered cases with an equivalent table lookup, results in code which is less susceptible to this sort of typo: ======== begin patch ==================================================== --- pine4.05/pine/mailindx.c.orig Wed Sep 2 09:22:21 1998 +++ pine4.05/pine/mailindx.c Mon Dec 14 08:13:19 1998 @@ -2109,71 +2109,19 @@ * Calculate the field widths that are basically fixed in width. * Do them in this order in case we don't have enough space to go around. */ - for(j = 0; j < 14 && space_left > 0 && some_to_calculate; j++){ - IndexColType targetctype; + for(j = 0; space_left > 0 && some_to_calculate; j++){ + static IndexColType targetctype[] = { + iMessNo, iStatus, iFStatus, iIStatus, iDate, iSDate, iLDate, + iS1Date, iS2Date, iS3Date, iS4Date, iSize, iDescripSize, iAtt + }; - switch(j){ - case 0: - targetctype = iMessNo; - break; - - case 1: - targetctype = iStatus; - break; - - case 2: - targetctype = iFStatus; - break; - - case 3: - targetctype = iIStatus; - break; - - case 4: - targetctype = iDate; - break; - - case 5: - targetctype = iSDate; - break; - - case 6: - targetctype = iLDate; - break; - - case 7: - targetctype = iS1Date; - break; - - case 8: - targetctype = iS2Date; - break; - - case 9: - targetctype = iS3Date; - break; - - case 10: - targetctype = iS3Date; - break; - - case 11: - targetctype = iSize; - break; - - case 12: - targetctype = iDescripSize; - break; - - case 13: - targetctype = iAtt; - break; - } + if(j >= sizeof(targetctype)/sizeof(*targetctype)) + break; for(cdesc = ps_global->index_disp_format; cdesc->ctype != iNothing && space_left > 0 && some_to_calculate; cdesc++) - if(cdesc->ctype == targetctype && cdesc->wtype == WeCalculate){ + if(cdesc->ctype == targetctype[j] && cdesc->wtype == WeCalculate){ some_to_calculate--; fix = min(cdesc->actual_length - cdesc->width, space_left); cdesc->width += fix; ======== end patch ====================================================== -- Chuck Goodhart ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:37:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id PAA04097 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id PAA17998; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:37:38 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id PAA22158; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:36:45 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id PAA24658 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:34:44 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu (shiva1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.201]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id PAA04495 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:34:39 -0800 Received: from localhost (hubert@localhost) by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id PAA26017 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:34:43 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:34:42 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Steve Hubert To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Bug in SHORTDATE4 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Thanks! I like your table version. We'll use it. -- Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, Chuck Goodhart wrote: > Using an index-format of: > STATUS MSGNO SHORTDATE3 FROMORTO(33%) SIZE SUBJECT(67%) > in an 80 character wide screen (with a folder with less than 1000 > messages) yields field widths of: > STATUS = 3 > MSGNO = 3 > SHORTDATE3 = 8 > FROMORTO = 17 > SIZE = 8 > SUBJECT = 36 > > However, replacing SHORTDATE3 with SHORTDATE4 i.e.: > STATUS MSGNO SHORTDATE4 FROMORTO(33%) SIZE SUBJECT(67%) > yields field widths of: > STATUS = 3 > MSGNO = 3 > SHORTDATE4 = 8 > FROMORTO = 25 > SIZE = 8 > SUBJECT = 28 > > The incorrect percentage width calculation is caused by a minor typo, > which can be fixed by the following patch: > ======== begin patch ==================================================== > --- pine4.05/pine/mailindx.c.orig Wed Sep 2 09:22:21 1998 > +++ pine4.05/pine/mailindx.c Sat Dec 12 16:44:32 1998 > @@ -2154,7 +2154,7 @@ > break; > > case 10: > - targetctype = iS3Date; > + targetctype = iS4Date; > break; > > case 11: > ======== end patch ====================================================== > > However, the following patch, which replaces the entire switch statement > and explicitly numbered cases with an equivalent table lookup, results in > code which is less susceptible to this sort of typo: > ======== begin patch ==================================================== > --- pine4.05/pine/mailindx.c.orig Wed Sep 2 09:22:21 1998 > +++ pine4.05/pine/mailindx.c Mon Dec 14 08:13:19 1998 > @@ -2109,71 +2109,19 @@ > * Calculate the field widths that are basically fixed in width. > * Do them in this order in case we don't have enough space to go around. > */ > - for(j = 0; j < 14 && space_left > 0 && some_to_calculate; j++){ > - IndexColType targetctype; > + for(j = 0; space_left > 0 && some_to_calculate; j++){ > + static IndexColType targetctype[] = { > + iMessNo, iStatus, iFStatus, iIStatus, iDate, iSDate, iLDate, > + iS1Date, iS2Date, iS3Date, iS4Date, iSize, iDescripSize, iAtt > + }; > > - switch(j){ > - case 0: > - targetctype = iMessNo; > - break; > - > - case 1: > - targetctype = iStatus; > - break; > - > - case 2: > - targetctype = iFStatus; > - break; > - > - case 3: > - targetctype = iIStatus; > - break; > - > - case 4: > - targetctype = iDate; > - break; > - > - case 5: > - targetctype = iSDate; > - break; > - > - case 6: > - targetctype = iLDate; > - break; > - > - case 7: > - targetctype = iS1Date; > - break; > - > - case 8: > - targetctype = iS2Date; > - break; > - > - case 9: > - targetctype = iS3Date; > - break; > - > - case 10: > - targetctype = iS3Date; > - break; > - > - case 11: > - targetctype = iSize; > - break; > - > - case 12: > - targetctype = iDescripSize; > - break; > - > - case 13: > - targetctype = iAtt; > - break; > - } > + if(j >= sizeof(targetctype)/sizeof(*targetctype)) > + break; > > for(cdesc = ps_global->index_disp_format; > cdesc->ctype != iNothing && space_left > 0 && some_to_calculate; > cdesc++) > - if(cdesc->ctype == targetctype && cdesc->wtype == WeCalculate){ > + if(cdesc->ctype == targetctype[j] && cdesc->wtype == WeCalculate){ > some_to_calculate--; > fix = min(cdesc->actual_length - cdesc->width, space_left); > cdesc->width += fix; > ======== end patch ====================================================== > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:07:17 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA05024 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:07:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA09663; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:07:10 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id RAA29822; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:05:56 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id RAA29286 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:04:02 -0800 Received: from webster (webster.vetri.com [198.153.135.140]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with SMTP id RAA16113 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:03:58 -0800 Received: from spike by webster (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA29673; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:07:20 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:06:49 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Shawn Jeffries To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: [4.04] problem with Global addressbook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: ujefsh81@spike X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN It seems that some aspect of global addressbooks was changed in 4.04. I can only find a short reference to it in the release notes. After installing 4.04 (and 4.05), I found that my global addressbook was no longer available for use. As soon as it was accessed, it became Un-Readable and showed the following error message : /some/path/.addressbook : Cross-device link I know this error comes up when you try to make a link to a file located on a different physical device. The solution is usually to create a symbolic link. Here, the global addressbook is on the same device (same partition) as my users home dirs, but my pine executable is not. I am running Solaris 2.5.1 . I restored 4.03 and the problem didn't recur. Can anyone suggest a solution to my addressbook troubles so I can install 4.05? Thanks, -- Shawn Jeffries ujefsh81@vetri.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:50:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA17388 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:50:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA00893; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:50:18 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id JAA08844; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:49:24 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id JAA31396 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:47:19 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu (shiva1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.201]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA30702 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:47:19 -0800 Received: from localhost (hubert@localhost) by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA11857; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:47:16 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:47:14 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Steve Hubert To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: pine 3.96 index building fetish... (and fix) In-Reply-To: <199811302312.RAA20475@mail.mankato.msus.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Jeffrey Hundstad X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Jeffrey, That should work ok. This comparison is now done in a smarter way that doesn't depend on system load in Pine4.05. Thanks. -- Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Jeffrey Hundstad wrote: > We at Minnesota State Unversity, Mankato, use pine3.96 to access our > Simeon IMAP server. We have a campus address book that has been made > read-only. This file gets indexed into a lu file once each rebuild. > > In the summer (or as it turns out during low usage days) everything > works JUST FINE. ...but most of the time when composing a message > (during alias expansion) the system THINKS that the lu file on our > read-only address books is out of date and causes a /tmp/a3nnnnnn lu > file to be created for each read-only address book for EACH user > trying to compose a message (OUCH). Pine also complains that the > mtime is ~1-12 seconds too new. > > It appears that pine encodes the creation time for the lu file > internally. This time is then compared against the mtime of the text > address book. If the text file is newer than the lu then the lu is > rebuilt. By placing a fuzz factor of a few seconds between the time > encoded in the lu file and the mtime, the overzealous remaking of lu > files has stopped. Does anyone see anything completely insane in > doing this? > > diff -r pine3.96/pine/adrbklib.c pine3.96a/pine/adrbklib.c > 357c357 > < if((timestamp=get_timestamp_from_disk(ab->fp_hash)) >= mtime){ > --- > > if((timestamp=get_timestamp_from_disk(ab->fp_hash)) >= (mtime-30)){ > > > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:10:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id EAA03542 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:10:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id EAA20267; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:10:09 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id EAA29756; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:08:30 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id EAA38684 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:04:18 -0800 Received: from majuelo.sdi.uam.es (majuelo.sdi.uam.es [150.244.9.25]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id EAA18090 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:02:15 -0800 Received: from cogorza (cogorza.sdi.uam.es [150.244.109.56]) by majuelo.sdi.uam.es (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA17816 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:01:47 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981217130148.0085a4b0@bosque.sdi.uam.es> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:01:48 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Mercedes Gimenez To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: check mails problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sender: mercedes@bosque.sdi.uam.es X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello all. I have defined "mail-check-interval=3D60", but I only can get new mails leaving pine and open it again. I can=B4t neither get mails whit ctrl-L or ESC ESC L. What I am doing wrong?? I have pine 4 in a SunOS 5.6 sparc, an the INBOX is looking in a VAX/VMS accoun t. Apologize for my english and best regards, -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Postmaster de la U.A.M. e-mail: postmaster@uam.es Servicio de Inform=E1tica Fac. de Econ=F3micas, E-VI-110 =20 Universidad Aut=F3noma de Madrid=20 Crta. de Colmenar, Km. 15 Fax : +34 91 397 39 14 E-28049 Cantoblanco.Espa=F1a (SPAIN) ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:44:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA08020 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:44:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA23075; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:44:35 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id HAA07975; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:43:46 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id HAA26042 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:41:33 -0800 Received: from nimbus.rz.uni-konstanz.de (nimbus.rz.uni-konstanz.de [134.34.3.4]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA23660 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:41:20 -0800 Received: from plato.physik.uni-konstanz.de by nimbus.rz.uni-konstanz.de with Intranet SMTP (PP); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:41:02 +0100 Received: from localhost (flo@localhost) by plato.physik.uni-konstanz.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11797 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:41:01 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:41:01 +0100 (CET) Reply-To: Florian Kolbe Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Florian Kolbe To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: check mails problem In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981217130148.0085a4b0@bosque.sdi.uam.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Try hitting 'n' or 'TAB'. On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Mercedes Gimenez wrote: MG> Hello all. I have defined "mail-check-interval=60", but I only can get new MG> mails MG> leaving pine and open it again. I can4t neither get mails whit ctrl-L MG> or ESC ESC L. What I am doing wrong?? ############################################################################ # Florian Kolbe - Florian.Kolbe@uni-konstanz.de # ############################################################################ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:50:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA01284 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:50:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA13677; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:50:45 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id HAA08361; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:50:10 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id HAA22616 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:47:37 -0800 Received: from planja.arnes.si (planja.arnes.si [193.2.1.92]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA00773 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:47:35 -0800 Received: from razor.arnes.si (razor.arnes.si [193.2.1.80]) by planja.arnes.si (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA09171 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:47:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from ms2-13a.dial-up.arnes.si (ms2-13a.dial-up.arnes.si [194.249.5.188]) by razor.arnes.si (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA27446 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:47:29 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:47:19 +0100 (CET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Iztok Polanic To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Slower MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: ssdipola@localhost.localdomain X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello !!! My Pine 4.04 is getting slower. When it moves pages from INBOX to read foler it takes very long time. Is there any solutions to this? Bye. ////// xxxxxx ( o o ) xx xx /------------oOO-----O-----OOo------------\ xx xx | From: Iztok Polanic | xxxx | E-mail: Iztok.Polanic1@guest.arnes.si | xx xx | WWW: http://kotzi.home.ml.org | xx xx | http://www.intering.si | xx xx \-----------------------------------------/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:05:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA30285 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:05:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA23484; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:05:47 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id IAA06737; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:05:03 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id IAA36252 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:02:46 -0800 Received: from public.ndh.com (public.ndh.net [194.97.97.21]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA26205 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:02:44 -0800 Received: from fireball.control-risks.de (port253.koeln.ndh.net [195.94.92.253]) by public.ndh.com (8.8.7/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA19093 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:02:40 +0100 (MET) Received: (from rss@localhost) by fireball.control-risks.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA23697 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:02:50 +0100 Message-Id: <19981217170213.E22813@fireball.control-risks.de> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:02:14 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Robin S. Socha" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Slower In-Reply-To: ; from Iztok Polanic on Thu, Dec 17, 1998 at 04:47:19PM +0100 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Quoting Iztok Polanic (iztok.polanic1@guest.arnes.si): > Hello !!! Do I know you? > My Pine 4.04 is getting slower. When it moves pages from INBOX to read > foler it takes very long time. Is there any solutions to this? I you limited your signature to 4 lines, your mail folder would be 50% smaller. -- Robin S. Socha From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:18:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA07677 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:18:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA23746; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:18:08 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id IAA09537; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:10:59 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id IAA36242 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:08:30 -0800 Received: from majuelo.sdi.uam.es (majuelo.sdi.uam.es [150.244.9.25]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA02524 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:03:13 -0800 Received: from cogorza (cogorza.sdi.uam.es [150.244.109.56]) by majuelo.sdi.uam.es (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA29375; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:02:18 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981217170220.007c36d0@bosque.sdi.uam.es> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:02:20 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Mercedes Gimenez To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: check mails problem In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19981217130148.0085a4b0@bosque.sdi.uam.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-To: Florian Kolbe , Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: mercedes@bosque.sdi.uam.es X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Thank you Florian, but whith N or TAB I have the same problem. Best regards,=20 =20 At 16:41 17/12/98 +0100, Florian Kolbe wrote: > >Try hitting 'n' or 'TAB'. > >On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Mercedes Gimenez wrote: > >MG> Hello all. I have defined "mail-check-interval=3D60", but I only can get new >MG> mails >MG> leaving pine and open it again. I can4t neither get mails whit ctrl-L >MG> or ESC ESC L. What I am doing wrong?? > >########################################################################## ## ># Florian Kolbe - Florian.Kolbe@uni-konstanz.de # >########################################################################## ## > > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Postmaster de la U.A.M. e-mail: postmaster@uam.es Servicio de Inform=E1tica Fac. de Econ=F3micas, E-VI-110 =20 Universidad Aut=F3noma de Madrid=20 Crta. de Colmenar, Km. 15 Fax : +34 91 397 39 14 E-28049 Cantoblanco.Espa=F1a (SPAIN) ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:41:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA07807 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:41:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA14810; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:41:42 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id IAA08154; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:41:05 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id IAA18068 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:38:18 -0800 Received: from gluon.zag.si (gluon.zag.si [193.2.24.5]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA05218 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:38:13 -0800 Received: from Charm.sckcen.be (Charm.sckcen.be [193.190.184.5]) by gluon.zag.si (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA16580 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:37:49 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:35:32 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jan Kalin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: check mails problem In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981217170220.007c36d0@bosque.sdi.uam.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: jank@charm.sckcen.be X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > >MG> Hello all. I have defined "mail-check-interval=60", but I only can > get new > MG> mails MG> leaving pine and open it again. I can4t neither get > mails whit > ctrl-L > >MG> or ESC ESC L. What I am doing wrong?? Just to be sure: Are you accessing mail with IMAP or POP3? Cheers, Jan -- Jan Kalin (male, preferred languages: Slovene, English) contact information From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:56:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA10079 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:56:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA29499; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:56:36 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id LAA17079; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:55:44 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id LAA38742 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:52:03 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu (shiva1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.201]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA12383 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:52:02 -0800 Received: from D-140-142-110-18.dhcp.washington.edu (D-140-142-110-18.dhcp.washington.edu [140.142.110.18]) by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA14018; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:51:48 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:52:21 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Terry Gray To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: check mails problem In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981217170220.007c36d0@bosque.sdi.uam.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-To: Mercedes Gimenez X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: gray@shivams.cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I'm told that at least some VMS-based IMAP servers do not do new mail checking/notification. In other words, I don't think this is a problem with Pine. -teg On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Mercedes Gimenez wrote: > Thank you Florian, but whith N or TAB I have the same problem. > Best regards, > > > At 16:41 17/12/98 +0100, Florian Kolbe wrote: > > > >Try hitting 'n' or 'TAB'. > > > >On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Mercedes Gimenez wrote: > > > >MG> Hello all. I have defined "mail-check-interval=60", but I only can > get new > >MG> mails > >MG> leaving pine and open it again. I can4t neither get mails whit > ctrl-L > >MG> or ESC ESC L. What I am doing wrong?? > > > >########################################################################## > ## > ># Florian Kolbe - Florian.Kolbe@uni-konstanz.de > # > >########################################################################## > ## > > > > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Postmaster de la U.A.M. e-mail: postmaster@uam.es > Servicio de Informática > Fac. de Económicas, E-VI-110 > Universidad Autónoma de Madrid > Crta. de Colmenar, Km. 15 Fax : +34 91 397 39 14 > E-28049 Cantoblanco.España (SPAIN) > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:15:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA18998 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:15:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA01700; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:15:05 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id NAA23516; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:14:07 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id NAA29356 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:11:15 -0800 Received: from server.amis.net (server.amis.net [195.10.52.10]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA11643 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:11:12 -0800 Received: from ms2-02.dialup.amis.net (ms2-02.dialup.amis.net [195.10.51.33]) by server.amis.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13823; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:10:50 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:10:42 +0100 (CET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Iztok Polanic To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Slower In-Reply-To: <19981217170213.E22813@fireball.control-risks.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Robin S. Socha" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: ssdipola@localhost.localdomain X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: > > My Pine 4.04 is getting slower. When it moves pages from INBOX to read > > foler it takes very long time. Is there any solutions to this? > > I you limited your signature to 4 lines, your mail folder would be 50% > smaller. Hello !!! What cained of a response is this. I can have what cained of signature I like. If you don't have anything smart to say then shut up...I guess you will be quiet for the rest of your life! Bye. ////// xxxxxx ( o o ) xx xx /------------oOO-----O-----OOo------------\ xx xx | From: Iztok Polanic | xxxx | E-mail: Iztok.Polanic1@guest.arnes.si | xx xx | WWW: http://kotzi.home.ml.org | xx xx | http://www.intering.si | xx xx \-----------------------------------------/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:25:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA15899 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:25:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA01937; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:25:16 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id NAA06407; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:24:05 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id NAA24356 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:21:14 -0800 Received: from sass165.sandia.gov (mailgate.sandia.gov [132.175.109.1]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA03395 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:21:14 -0800 Received: from sasg829.sandia.gov (sasg829.sandia.gov [134.253.226.190]) by sass165.sandia.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA06923 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:20:15 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:20:21 -0700 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Daniel Sands To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Slower In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Iztok Polanic wrote: > On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: > > > > My Pine 4.04 is getting slower. When it moves pages from INBOX to read > > > foler it takes very long time. Is there any solutions to this? > > > > I you limited your signature to 4 lines, your mail folder would be 50% > > smaller. > Hello !!! > > What cained of a response is this. I can have what cained of signature I > like. If you don't have anything smart to say then shut up...I guess you > will be quiet for the rest of your life! The point is this: Every time you put a new file in your file cabinet, it takes longer to sort the files, right? How many hundred messages do you now have in your "read mail" folder? From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:47:55 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA11508 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:47:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA22585; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:47:48 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id NAA23162; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:46:56 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id NAA38724 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:44:11 -0800 Received: from calypso.view.net.au (calypso.view.net.au [203.30.237.210]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA06601 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:44:05 -0800 Received: (from mtw@localhost) by calypso.view.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA08396; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:12:17 +1030 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:12:16 +1030 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Michael Talbot-Wilson To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Slower In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Daniel Sands wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Iztok Polanic wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: > > > > > > My Pine 4.04 is getting slower. When it moves pages from INBOX to read > > > > foler it takes very long time. Is there any solutions to this? > > > > > > I you limited your signature to 4 lines, your mail folder would be 50% > > > smaller. > > Hello !!! > > > > What cained of a response is this. I can have what cained of signature I > > like. If you don't have anything smart to say then shut up...I guess you > > will be quiet for the rest of your life! > > The point is this: Every time you put a new file in your file cabinet, it > takes longer to sort the files, right? How many hundred messages do you now > have in your "read mail" folder? There is supposed to be MH folder support via folder names beginning with #mh/ but it seems to be read only, i.e. you can't create such a folder. If you could, I think it would solve the problem of slow sorting of mail when there are many items. Then, each mail item would be a separate file. -- Michael Talbot-Wilson ------------------- mtw@calypso.view.net.au "Many good morrows to my noble lord!" - Catesby greeting Hastings (Richard III, Act III, Scene II). From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:10:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id GAA30000 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:10:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id GAA09008; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:08:57 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id GAA17303; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:03:17 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id FAA29550 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 05:58:30 -0800 Received: from majuelo.sdi.uam.es (majuelo.sdi.uam.es [150.244.9.25]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id FAA16961 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 05:58:20 -0800 Received: from cogorza (cogorza.sdi.uam.es [150.244.109.56]) by majuelo.sdi.uam.es (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA22734; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:57:26 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981218145727.00826750@bosque.sdi.uam.es> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:57:27 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Mercedes Gimenez To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: check mails problem In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19981217170220.007c36d0@bosque.sdi.uam.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-To: Jan Kalin , Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: mercedes@bosque.sdi.uam.es X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello all. I have been access to INBOX whith POP3 in this way: inbox-path =3D {bosque.sdi.uam.es/pop3/user=3Daliciaa}INBOX Regards,=20 At 17:35 17/12/98 +0100, Jan Kalin wrote: >> >MG> Hello all. I have defined "mail-check-interval=3D60", but I only can >> get new >> MG> mails MG> leaving pine and open it again. I can4t neither get >> mails whit >> ctrl-L >> >MG> or ESC ESC L. What I am doing wrong?? > >Just to be sure: Are you accessing mail with IMAP or POP3? > >Cheers, >Jan > >--=20 > Jan Kalin (male, preferred languages: Slovene, English) > contact information > > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Postmaster de la U.A.M. e-mail: postmaster@uam.es Servicio de Inform=E1tica Fac. de Econ=F3micas, E-VI-110 =20 Universidad Aut=F3noma de Madrid=20 Crta. de Colmenar, Km. 15 Fax : +34 91 397 39 14 E-28049 Cantoblanco.Espa=F1a (SPAIN) ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:14:18 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id GAA30750 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:14:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id GAA09301; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:13:34 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id GAA01960; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:12:44 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id GAA34708 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:09:16 -0800 Received: from gluon.zag.si (gluon.zag.si [193.2.24.5]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id GAA02990 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:09:12 -0800 Received: from Charm.sckcen.be (Charm.sckcen.be [193.190.184.5]) by gluon.zag.si (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12621 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:09:01 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:06:52 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jan Kalin To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: check mails problem In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981218145727.00826750@bosque.sdi.uam.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: jank@charm.sckcen.be X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Mercedes Gimenez wrote: > Hello all. I have been access to INBOX whith POP3 in this way: > inbox-path = {bosque.sdi.uam.es/pop3/user=aliciaa}INBOX Ahh, that explains it. Take a look at the Pine FAQ, specifically topic 3.17. An excerpt from the FAQ: Pine will start a POP3 session and keep it open until the mailbox is closed. Due to the nature of the POP3 protocol, Pine will not see any new mail which arrives during the POP3 session. I believe that answers your question. Cheers, Jan -- Jan Kalin (male, preferred languages: Slovene, English) contact information From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:46:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id GAA30306 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:46:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id GAA11070; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:46:35 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id GAA21456; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:45:51 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id GAA29342 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:42:26 -0800 Received: from server.amis.net (server.amis.net [195.10.52.10]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id GAA05268 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 06:42:23 -0800 Received: from ms2-03.dialup.amis.net (ms2-03.dialup.amis.net [195.10.51.34]) by server.amis.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05762; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:41:42 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:41:36 +0100 (CET) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Iztok Polanic To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Slower In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Daniel Sands X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: ssdipola@localhost.localdomain X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Daniel Sands wrote: > > > The point is this: Every time you put a new file in your file cabinet, it > takes longer to sort the files, right? How many hundred messages do you now > have in your "read mail" folder? > Too much :( Bye. ////// xxxxxx ( o o ) xx xx /------------oOO-----O-----OOo------------\ xx xx | From: Iztok Polanic | xxxx | E-mail: Iztok.Polanic1@guest.arnes.si | xx xx | WWW: http://kotzi.home.ml.org | xx xx | http://www.intering.si | xx xx \-----------------------------------------/ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:30:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA32194 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:30:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA16131; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:30:09 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id IAA07005; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:29:10 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id IAA14226 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:25:25 -0800 Received: from majuelo.sdi.uam.es (majuelo.sdi.uam.es [150.244.9.25]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA30563 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:25:21 -0800 Received: from cogorza (cogorza.sdi.uam.es [150.244.109.56]) by majuelo.sdi.uam.es (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA27656; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:25:11 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981218172512.00847680@bosque.sdi.uam.es> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:25:12 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Mercedes Gimenez To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: check mails problem In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19981218145727.00826750@bosque.sdi.uam.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-To: Jan Kalin , Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: mercedes@bosque.sdi.uam.es X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Thank you very much Jan. You have answered perfectly my question. Cheers At 15:06 18/12/98 +0100, Jan Kalin wrote: >On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Mercedes Gimenez wrote: > >> Hello all. I have been access to INBOX whith POP3 in this way: >> inbox-path =3D {bosque.sdi.uam.es/pop3/user=3Daliciaa}INBOX > >Ahh, that explains it. Take a look at the Pine FAQ, specifically topic >3.17. An excerpt from the FAQ: Pine will start a POP3 session and keep it >open until the mailbox is closed. Due to the nature of the POP3 protocol, >Pine will not see any new mail which arrives during the POP3 session.=20 > >I believe that answers your question. > >Cheers, >Jan > >--=20 > Jan Kalin (male, preferred languages: Slovene, English) > contact information > > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Postmaster de la U.A.M. e-mail: postmaster@uam.es Servicio de Inform=E1tica Fac. de Econ=F3micas, E-VI-110 =20 Universidad Aut=F3noma de Madrid=20 Crta. de Colmenar, Km. 15 Fax : +34 91 397 39 14 E-28049 Cantoblanco.Espa=F1a (SPAIN) ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:51:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA21344 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:51:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA29282; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:51:12 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id NAA22174; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:50:25 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id NAA25742 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:46:13 -0800 Received: from ursamajor.cisco.com (ursamajor.cisco.com [171.69.63.56]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA07084 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:46:13 -0800 Received: from casner-pc1.cisco.com (casner-pc1.cisco.com [171.71.37.112]) by ursamajor.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.2-SunOS.5.5.1.sun4/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA28071; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:46:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:48:37 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Stephen Casner To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Selections that partially miss MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: casner@ursamajor.cisco.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I wonder if others are seeing this problem: when selecting messages based on subject text and using ^X to take the subject from the current message, only some of the messages with that subject are selected. The obvious answer is that the subject text is different in some way that is not immediately apparent. For example, just now this occurred because there was a space on the end of the subject for some of the messages (including the one ^X'd) and not on the others. But I was aware of that potential problem and in some previous instances I've verified that there was no space on the end. Is there some other "invisible" difference I should look for? Meanwhile, I would recommend to the Pine implementors that a space on the end of the subject search string should be ignored. And while I'm at it, two of my current selection wishes: - match on text in either To or Cc fields (rather than having to select on To and then broaden with a selection on Cc) - when narrowing the selection, to only look at the messages in the current selection, rather than searching them all again and taking the intersection (which is slow for big files -- please no flames about keeping files small) -- Steve ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:36:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id XAA12241 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:36:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id XAA06405; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:36:04 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id XAA25436; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:35:40 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id XAA31958 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:32:59 -0800 Received: from calypso.view.net.au (mtw@calypso.view.net.au [203.30.237.210]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id XAA29550 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:32:55 -0800 Received: (from mtw@localhost) by calypso.view.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA20794; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:01:05 +1030 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:01:05 +1030 (CST) Reply-To: Michael Talbot-Wilson Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Michael Talbot-Wilson To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: A feature of GNUS. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN The following appeared on the Majordomo mailing list. It appears that GNUS recognises the header Mail-Copies-To which prevents responses to the newsgroup from being mailed. The idea for an MUA could be that a header could be set by default such that if there was a To: which was not the recipient's address, and the header in the original mail had survived the original journey, the reply would go to the To: address, not the From: address, by default. The problem is that some mailing lists, including this one, don't set "Reply-To:" to direct replies to the mailing list. On such lists there are periodically furious complaints mailed by people who have received duplicates, one directly and one via the list, and who are in any case prone to furious complaint over trifles. As someone else contributed, lists that set Reply-To: [e.g. the CERT Advisory list, Forens-L and many others] seem to not have complaints over list operation. I suppose, though, that their servers have somewhat heavier load per subscriber. The ability to set such a header by default, and respect it when set, could provide the benefits of Reply-To without whatever disadvantages discourage its use in some quarters. I know that someone will say that instead of yapping about it I should contribute a patch, but I personally am not particularly bothered by such duplicates. Perhaps one of those who are prone to complain could take up the idea. -- Michael Talbot-Wilson ------------------- mtw@calypso.view.net.au "Many good morrows to my noble lord!" - Catesby greeting Hastings (Richard III, Act III, Scene II). ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 16 Dec 1998 15:26:15 -0600 From: Jason L Tibbitts III ... AHK> Even Jason Cc'ed me! Aargh. And he's not even a pine user. ... But if you really don't like the duplicates, help us out. I use Gnus, so a Mail-Copies-To: never header would have eliminated that CC. One day there will be a standard for this. Until then, fix it on your end or stop expecting people to be mind readers. - J< ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:24:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id BAA10324 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:24:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id BAA09465; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:24:21 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id BAA10986; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:23:57 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id BAA26404 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:20:47 -0800 Received: from public.ndh.com (public.ndh.net [194.97.97.21]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id BAA05795 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:20:46 -0800 Received: from radioactive.kens.com (root@port212.koeln.ndh.net [195.94.92.212]) by public.ndh.com (8.8.7/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA22387 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:20:43 +0100 (MET) Received: (from robin@localhost) by radioactive.kens.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09862; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:04:50 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 19 Dec 1998 10:04:44 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Robin S. Socha" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: A feature of GNUS. In-Reply-To: Michael Talbot-Wilson's message of "Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:01:05 +1030 (CST)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN * Michael Talbot-Wilson writes: > It appears that GNUS recognises the header Mail-Copies-To which prevents > responses to the newsgroup from being mailed. It's called Gnus, GNUS died a couple of years ago. [...] > The problem is that some mailing lists, including this one, don't set > "Reply-To:" to direct replies to the mailing list. Taking into account that this is not a list for user questions, it is safe to assume that everyone here knows what they're doing. It seems a good idea to change it. Gnus doesn't show the mentioned behaviour by default, however, and something like this is still on the wish list: `C-f C-t' should ask the user whether to heed mail-copies-to: never. I would consider this a good feature in pine. > The ability to set such a header by default, and respect it when set, > could provide the benefits of Reply-To without whatever disadvantages > discourage its use in some quarters. I sense a slight misunderstanding here. IIRC, this is meant for Newsgroups, where "X-send-copies-to: never" is to prevent Cc:s. Correct me if I'm wrong, because I cannot find this in the Gnus info files. But while we're at it: there is another feature of Gnus (and mutt) that seems desirable. In Gnus it's called posting-style, in mutt folder-hook. It's a function that lets you set e.g. your email-address depending on which folder you're in. Very nice. -- Robin S. Socha From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:37:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA15399 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:37:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA15823; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:37:06 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id LAA08382; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:36:32 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id LAA37926 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:34:37 -0800 Received: from seen.farley.org (root@farley.org [204.248.217.248]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA22779 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:34:35 -0800 Received: from seen.farley.org ([192.168.1.2] ident=sean) by seen.farley.org with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zrS93-00023f-00 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:34:33 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:34:33 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sean Farley To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: A feature of GNUS. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: sean@farley.org X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On 19 Dec 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: > * Michael Talbot-Wilson writes: > > But while we're at it: there is another feature of Gnus (and mutt) that seems > desirable. In Gnus it's called posting-style, in mutt folder-hook. It's a > function that lets you set e.g. your email-address depending on which folder > you're in. Very nice. That would be a nice feature. I currently have several incoming mail folders, and a feature to automatically set up my e-mail address would be great. Does it alter the From: or Reply-to: headers? Sean --------------- scf@farley.org From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:48:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA08769 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:48:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA09655; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:48:12 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id LAA19669; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:47:43 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id LAA13934 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:45:37 -0800 Received: from public.ndh.com (public.ndh.net [194.97.97.21]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA23303 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:45:36 -0800 Received: from radioactive.kens.com (robin@port206.koeln.ndh.net [195.94.92.206]) by public.ndh.com (8.8.7/8.8.0) with ESMTP id UAA16213 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:45:03 +0100 (MET) Received: (from robin@localhost) by radioactive.kens.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13586; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:46:14 +0100 Message-Id: Date: 19 Dec 1998 20:46:09 +0100 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Robin S. Socha" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: A feature of GNUS. In-Reply-To: Sean Farley's message of "Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:34:33 -0500 (EST)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN * Sean Farley writes: > On 19 Dec 1998, Robin S. Socha wrote: [different header stuff] > Does it alter the From: or Reply-to: headers? I can only speak for Gnus: `gnus-posting-style-alist' value: ((organization . message-user-organization) (signature . message-signature) (signature-file . message-signature-file) (address . user-mail-address) (name . user-full-name)) At least that's what it does by default. I've once hacked it to do some X-header stuff as well. Wasn't worth the trouble, but changing the from: header on the fly is kinda nifty. -- Robin S. Socha From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:00:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id SAA04644 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA17298; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:59:55 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id RAA08504; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:59:23 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id RAA22984 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:56:11 -0800 Received: from elwood.cais.com (elwood.cais.com [199.0.216.215]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id RAA25404 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:56:10 -0800 Received: from sonja (zander.cais.com [207.176.69.220]) by elwood.cais.com (8.9.1/Elwood) with SMTP id UAA28714 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:56:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981220205522.00995aa0@172.27.72.2> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:55:22 -0500 Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Karl Zander To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Terminal freeze up on HP-UX 10.20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: zander@172.27.72.2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I have been working for several weeks on a problem with PINE freezing up on terminals under HP-UX 10.20. We used the pre-compiled binaries from the U of Washington site. Mail sending and receiving works fine. But when staff are reading a message and use the arrow keys to scroll up or down in a message, the terminal will freeze up after scrolling a few lines or sometimes a few pages. I have been trying different settings in the /etc/gettydefs file. I have been able to improve the situation, but not eliminate it. If we use PICO as a stand alone editor, we see the same behavior. VI works fine. As I understand, by default, PINE and PICO use TERMCAP. I am willing to re-compile with TERMINFO. My question to the list is: Am I looking in the right places: gettydefs, TERMINFO/TERMCAP? I have not seen other reports of this behavior on this list, so I am assuming I have a problem on my system. Has anyone else seen this problem? Karl Zander Communication Partners International em: kzander@commpartners.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:19:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id AAA08164 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:19:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id AAA08611; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:19:32 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id AAA26135; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:19:05 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id AAA38116 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:16:36 -0800 Received: from chinet.com (IDENT:ahk@lagnaf-1.soho.enteract.com [216.80.30.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id AAA10219 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:16:35 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA32272 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 02:16:25 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 02:16:25 -0600 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Selections that partially miss In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: Stephen Casner >Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:48:37 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) >I wonder if others are seeing this problem: when selecting messages based on >subject text and using ^X to take the subject from the current message, only >some of the messages with that subject are selected. The obvious answer is >that the subject text is different in some way that is not immediately >apparent. For example, just now this occurred because there was a space on >the end of the subject for some of the messages (including the one ^X'd) and >not on the others. Some mail gateways, transport agents, and clients (including pine) delete trailing spaces. Hm. I can't think of any reason why trailing spaces shouldn't be ignored during select. >But I was aware of that potential problem and in some previous instances I've >verified that there was no space on the end. Is there some other "invisible" >difference I should look for? Perhaps "Re: " at the beginning or that Microsloth convention at the end " - Reply"? Not ignoring the first is really lousy searching technique. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:03:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA04845 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:03:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA21475; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:02:55 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id HAA20387; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:01:51 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id GAA32364 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 06:58:33 -0800 Received: from deborah.buckscol.ac.uk (deborah.buckscol.ac.uk [192.149.238.11]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id GAA26002 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 06:58:31 -0800 Received: (from mjacks01@localhost) by deborah.buckscol.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17744; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:04:02 GMT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:04:01 +0000 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Marie.Jackson" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: pine and MS Outlook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I've searched the archives for this, but haven't found anything. I apologise if it's all old hat to you. We have used pine as our email front-end on our Unix box for several years now, and have found it most reliable. However, I'm getting one or two problems, associated with email sent with MicroSoft Outlook. One student as good as accused me of tampering with his mail. The message was in his spooled mail file, but did not show up on an INBOX listing. The mailx front-end, which is pretty basic, could see the message. In another case, the Outlook message and a 2nd message were attached to the end of another message - pine couldn't detect any separation between the Outlook message and the messages fore and aft of it. Again, I had to use mailx to split them up. The only common factor so far has been MS Outlook 8.5 We are using pine 3.91, our email server is sendmail 8.8.8 and our delivery agent is /bin/mail, as supplied with Solaris 2.5 I'm not sure where to start on this, and would value your views. Marie Jackson Computer Support Services Buckinghamshire Chilterns University College High Wycombe Bucks. HP11 2JZ UK Email: M.Jackson@buckscol.ac.uk Tel: 01494 522141 X3404 Fax: 01494 464729 ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:32:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA11821 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA13829; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:32:02 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id HAA18272; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:31:13 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id HAA17966 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:28:18 -0800 Received: from deborah.buckscol.ac.uk (deborah.buckscol.ac.uk [192.149.238.11]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA28386 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:28:17 -0800 Received: (from mjacks01@localhost) by deborah.buckscol.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18829; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:33:49 GMT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:33:47 +0000 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Marie.Jackson" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: more on pine and MS Outlook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >We are using pine 3.91, our email server is sendmail 8.8.8 and our >delivery agent is /bin/mail, as supplied with Solaris 2.5 Following some prompting from Mike Brudenell at York (thanks Mike), here is more information. Pine is accessing the spooled mail direct i.e. not POP or IMAP. We are using an old version of pine, on the grounds that "if it ain't broke don't fix it". However, if these symptoms mean it's broke, then we'll move to a newer version to fix it! Marie Jackson Computer Support Services Buckinghamshire Chilterns University College ..etc. ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:47:59 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA13007 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:47:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA14080; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:47:52 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id HAA21393; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:46:29 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id HAA11898 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:43:35 -0800 Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id HAA29659 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:43:30 -0800 Received: from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by motgate.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id JAA12293 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:43:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from m-az33-r2.mot.com (m-az33-r2.mot.com [129.188.127.12]) by mothost.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id JAA27837 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:43:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from srv203.mcil.comm.mot.com by m-az33-r2.mot.com for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:43:26 -0700 Received: from mcil.comm.mot.com (adm107) by srv203.mcil.comm.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26916; Mon, 21 Dec 98 17:43:14 IST Received: from localhost (andyt@localhost) by adm107.mcil.comm.mot.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04802 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:43:39 +0200 (IST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:43:38 +0200 (IST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andy Tsouladze To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Viewing attachments - suffix not saved. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I was not able to find this problem in the archives, so I am reporting it here. When pine uses mailcap for viewing MIME attachments, it creates a temporary file /var/tmp/, where is of a form: img- ABC is a three uppercase characters which seem to be derived from MIME subtype (I am not really sure about it), while NNNNNN is Pine PID padded on the left side with 0's. Unfortunately, Pine drops the original file extension (suffix). E.g., if the attached file is file.doc, the temporary file name may be something like img-MSW003462. Some viewer programs are content if they are fed files without a proper suffix, others are not. In my situation, the problem is even worse. For reasons beyond the scope of this posting, I have to pass attached files through a script which deals with many file types and gets input from many programs. This script has no way of knowing what the original file used to be. So my suggestion is to keep the original file suffix, so that the temporary file from my example above will look like img-MSW003462.doc. Is there a workaround? Regards, Andy Dr Andy Tsouladze Unix System Administrator Motorola Communications Israel mailto:andyt@mcil.comm.mot.com mailto:andy@spl.co.il (old) mailto:andy@environment.negev.k12.il http://www.spl.co.il/~andy ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:10:33 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA14720 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:10:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA22196; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:10:26 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id IAA03698; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:09:18 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id IAA22112 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:06:13 -0800 Received: from olive.cac.washington.edu (olive.cac.washington.edu [128.95.135.99]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with SMTP id IAA23525 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:06:13 -0800 Received: from ldsl233.sttl.uset.net.sttl.uswest.net by olive.cac.washington.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/UW-NDC Revision: 2.21 ) id AA00257; Mon, 21 Dec 98 08:06:04 PST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:05:45 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Terry Gray To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: more on pine and MS Outlook In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Marie.Jackson" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: gray@shivams.cac.washington.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Marie, You are in the best position to determine whether or not a newer version of Pine will fix the problem, since most of us do not experience your symptoms... I can assure you that more than a few things have changed in the four years since 3.91 was released. Mostly improvements, we think :) -teg On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Marie.Jackson wrote: > >We are using pine 3.91, our email server is sendmail 8.8.8 and our > >delivery agent is /bin/mail, as supplied with Solaris 2.5 > > Following some prompting from Mike Brudenell at York (thanks Mike), here > is more information. Pine is accessing the spooled mail direct i.e. not > POP or IMAP. We are using an old version of pine, on the grounds that > "if it ain't broke don't fix it". However, if these symptoms mean it's > broke, then we'll move to a newer version to fix it! From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:20:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA17346 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:20:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA17598; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:20:41 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id KAA26470; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:19:43 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id KAA15924 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:16:32 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu (shiva1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.201]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA05228 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:16:31 -0800 Received: from localhost (hubert@localhost) by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA02454 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:16:31 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:16:30 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Steve Hubert To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Selections that partially miss In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN We're intentionally leaving the trailing space so that you can match _word_. We'd like to not introduce any quoting mechanism like " word ", since that'll just confuse people and it hasn't been like that before. A possible change that might make sense (to us) is to strip the trailing space when you type the ^X command to get the subject from the current message, but we lean towards leaving that the way it is now, too. -- Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:49:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA19795 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:49:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA25193; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:49:36 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id KAA10167; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:49:07 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id KAA27820 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:46:05 -0800 Received: from nimbus.anzio.com (ras@nimbus.anzio.com [204.201.253.34]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA08687 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:46:04 -0800 Received: from localhost (ras@localhost) by nimbus.anzio.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA25034; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:43:17 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:43:17 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Bob Rasmussen To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Viewing attachments - suffix not saved. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Andy Tsouladze X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Andy Tsouladze wrote: > I was not able to find this problem in the archives, so I am reporting it > here. > > When pine uses mailcap for viewing MIME attachments, it creates a > temporary file /var/tmp/, where is of a form: > > img- > > ABC is a three uppercase characters which seem to be derived from MIME > subtype (I am not really sure about it), while > NNNNNN is Pine PID padded on the left side with 0's. Unfortunately, Pine > drops the original file extension (suffix). E.g., if the attached file is > file.doc, the temporary file name may be something like img-MSW003462. > > Some viewer programs are content if they are fed files without a proper > suffix, others are not. > ... We solved this problem by telling mailcap to run a shell script, telling that script also (via a parameter) the MIME type, which we then parsed with a 'cut' command. The script then in effect created a new file name, appending the extension (derived from the MIME type) to the temporary file name. Details can be found at www.anzio.com/support/pine.htm Regards, ....Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: ras@anzio.com company e-mail: rsi@anzio.com or sales@anzio.com or support@anzio.com ftp://ftp.anzio.com voice: 503-624-0360 http://www.anzio.com fax: 503-624-0760 From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:02:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA19608 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:01:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA25426; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:01:53 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id LAA09336; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:01:03 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id KAA23628 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:57:53 -0800 Received: from ursamajor.cisco.com (ursamajor.cisco.com [171.69.63.56]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id KAA18954 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:57:52 -0800 Received: from casner-pc1.cisco.com (casner-pc1.cisco.com [171.71.37.112]) by ursamajor.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.2-SunOS.5.5.1.sun4/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA15431; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:57:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:59:45 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Stephen Casner To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Selections that partially miss In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Steve Hubert X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: casner@ursamajor.cisco.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Steve Hubert wrote: > A possible change that might make sense (to us) is to strip the trailing > space when you type the ^X command to get the subject from the current > message, but we lean towards leaving that the way it is now, too. I favor this change -- it would solve this particular problem for me. As I mentioned in my message, I think there are also some other cases where the subject match partiallly misses and no trailing space was involved (I believe). I guess nobody else has experienced this. I'll try to investigate more thoroughly next time it happens. -- Steve From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:49:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA12999 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA26388; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:49:45 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id LAA11725; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:49:08 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id LAA26384 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:45:04 -0800 Received: from calypso.view.net.au (mtw@calypso.view.net.au [203.30.237.210]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id LAA24578 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:45:01 -0800 Received: (from mtw@localhost) by calypso.view.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA05167; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:13:07 +1030 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 06:13:06 +1030 (CST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Michael Talbot-Wilson To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: pine and MS Outlook In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Marie.Jackson wrote: > We have used pine as our email front-end on our Unix box for several > years now, and have found it most reliable. However, I'm getting one or > two problems, associated with email sent with MicroSoft Outlook. One > student as good as accused me of tampering with his mail. The message was > in his spooled mail file, but did not show up on an INBOX listing. The > mailx front-end, which is pretty basic, could see the message. In > another case, the Outlook message and a 2nd message were attached to the > end of another message - pine couldn't detect any separation between the > Outlook message and the messages fore and aft of it. Again, I had to use > mailx to split them up. The only common factor so far has been MS > Outlook 8.5 > > We are using pine 3.91, our email server is sendmail 8.8.8 and our > delivery agent is /bin/mail, as supplied with Solaris 2.5 It is most likely a matter of "innovative" headers that later versions of pine can handle. You have no problems with mailx, and are receiving the mail by SMTP using sendmail 8.8.8, i.e. the separations must the there, so it is unlikely that the problem is anywhere else. Your pragmatic course is to upgrade and see if the problem persists. If it does, take a look at the headers of the offending mail and see if they verify against RFC 822 and RFC 1132. -- Michael Talbot-Wilson ------------------- mtw@calypso.view.net.au "Many good morrows to my noble lord!" - Catesby greeting Hastings (Richard III, Act III, Scene II). ... How do you pronounce W'ows, "Win" or "Woes"? From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:22:34 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id PAA24347 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id PAA00680; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:22:23 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id PAA19670; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:21:53 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id PAA13204 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:19:33 -0800 Received: from chinet.com (IDENT:ahk@lagnaf-1.soho.enteract.com [216.80.30.1]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id PAA06072 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 15:19:32 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA17417 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:19:17 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:19:17 -0600 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Selections that partially miss In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >From: Steve Hubert >Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:16:30 -0800 (PST) >We're intentionally leaving the trailing space so that you can match >_word_. We'd like to not introduce any quoting mechanism like " word ", >since that'll just confuse people and it hasn't been like that before. A >possible change that might make sense (to us) is to strip the trailing >space when you type the ^X command to get the subject from the current >message, but we lean towards leaving that the way it is now, too. You have convinced me that matching trailing space is useful. But a more powerful searching method would be nice that would let us use metacharacters. Steve, how about introducing a method of ignoring leading "Re: " and variants? How about putting ^X on the submenu under ";" or at least "text"? It would save quite a few keystrokes. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:13:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id CAA19637 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:13:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id CAA27469; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:13:32 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id CAA24297; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:13:02 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id CAA26464 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:08:31 -0800 Received: from continuum.cm.nu (shane@a1a90191.sympatico.bconnected.net [209.53.19.39]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id CAA27291 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:08:30 -0800 Received: from localhost (shane@localhost) by continuum.cm.nu (8.9.1a/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id CAA29773 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:08:29 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:08:29 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Shane Wegner To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: moderation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Info Mailing List X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hi, I am attempting to run a moderated mailing list using pine and have a problem. My mailing list software sends a perspective message to me and I approve it by adding an Approved: header to it. I do this with the custom headers option. However, the bounce (b) from the message reader command doesn't let me add a header so it doesn't keep the user's from address when I forward. It there a clean way around this anywhere in pine? Thanks in advance for your help. Shane Wegner: shane@cm.nu Tel: (604) 930-0530 Sysadmin, Continuum Systems: http://www.cm.nu Personal website: http://www.cm.nu/~shane Celine Dion Fan site: http://www.celine.nu/ PGP key: http://www.cm.nu/~shane/pgp.txt ICQ UIN: 15706546 ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:11:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA24978 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:11:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA03429; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:11:44 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id JAA14413; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:11:03 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA24136 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:08:38 -0800 Received: from euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca (root@cpu1671.adsl.bellglobal.com [206.47.27.152]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA21823 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:08:37 -0800 Received: from localhost (yashy@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by euphoria.yashy.ottawa.on.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01449 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:06:26 -0500 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:06:26 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: Yashy Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Yasholomew Yashinski To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: moderation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Shane Wegner wrote: > I am attempting to run a moderated mailing list using pine and have a > when I forward. It there a clean way around this anywhere in pine? Are you using Majordomo? if not, you should be, I run all my lists with it, and it is quite configurable. ..Yashy -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GU/O/U d+ s:- a--@ C+++>$ U++++>$ P+ L+++>$ E--JOE W+++ N++ o-- K? w--- O M- V-- PS-- PE- Y++ PGP+++ t--- !5 X R tv-- b- DI-- D+ G e h--- r++ y++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:42:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id MAA31533 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:42:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu (root@lists2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.1]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id MAA14423; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:42:22 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id MAA08914; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:41:53 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id MAA08476 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:38:30 -0800 Received: from chinet.com (IDENT:ahk@lagnaf-1.soho.enteract.com [216.80.30.1]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id MAA26971 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:38:29 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA17963 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:37:43 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:37:43 -0600 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: moderation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I'll answer the question even though this thread is completely off-topic to pine-info. Please, no replies on the list. >From: Shane Wegner >Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:08:29 -0800 (PST) >I am attempting to run a moderated mailing list using pine and have a >problem. My mailing list software sends a perspective message to me and I >approve it by adding an Approved: header to it. I do this with the custom >headers option. However, the bounce (b) from the message reader command >doesn't let me add a header so it doesn't keep the user's from address >when I forward. It there a clean way around this anywhere in pine? I assume this is Majordomo? This is a Majordomo FAQ. Your Majordomo distribution has a file called "list-owner-info" in the doc directory with clear instructions for performing this work manually. If you have permission from your system administrator to run perl scripts and to invoke the Mail Transport Agent (often sendmail), you can run the "approve" script. This is also part of the Majordomo distribution. To do this manually, forward the message to the list posting address. Cut out everything at the top of the body before the ORIGINAL message's headers. Add an Approved: [password] line before the message's original headers. Be sure there are no intervening blank lines. Be sure to cut out your .sig file. Be sure to cut extraneous matter pine adds at the end of forwarded messages (-------end of forwarded message-------). As a variation, export the bounced message to a file. Delete everything above the original message's headers, add the Approved line, read the file into the body of a message to be sent to the list posting address. The method you describe, adding an Approved header, is to approve your own messages sent to the list. You need not do this in the headers, though. You can put an "Approved: [password]" in the first line of the body, followed by a blank line, then the message text. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:20:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA14600 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:20:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA22959; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:20:19 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id QAA14617; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:19:52 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA24076 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:14:37 -0800 Received: from green.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@green.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.57]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA08302 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:14:37 -0800 Received: from line71.slip.csx.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.99.171] helo=cam.ac.uk) by green.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 0ztWML-0007dl-00 for pine-info@u.washington.edu; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:28:50 +0000 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:28:51 +0000 (GMT) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Barry Landy To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: more on pine and MS Outlook In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-X-Sender: bl10@imap.hermes.cam.ac.uk X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I remember a bug of just this nature in Pine 3.91. IIRC an embedded 00 character caused pine to think that the inbox ended there, so in effect all subsequent messages appeared as part of the last one mentioned in the index. Workaround is to find the 00 and patch it to something else! Fix is to upgrade. On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Marie.Jackson wrote: :> :>>We are using pine 3.91, our email server is sendmail 8.8.8 and our :>>delivery agent is /bin/mail, as supplied with Solaris 2.5 :> :>Following some prompting from Mike Brudenell at York (thanks Mike), here :>is more information. Pine is accessing the spooled mail direct i.e. not :>POP or IMAP. We are using an old version of pine, on the grounds that :>"if it ain't broke don't fix it". However, if these symptoms mean it's :>broke, then we'll move to a newer version to fix it! :> :> :>Marie Jackson :>Computer Support Services :>Buckinghamshire Chilterns University College :>..etc. :> :> :>----------------------------------------------------------------- :> For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: :> http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ :>----------------------------------------------------------------- :> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry Landy Computer Laboratory:+44 1223 334600 Head of Systems and Development Direct line: +44 1223 334713 University of Cambridge Computing Service New Museums Site Email:bl10@cam.ac.uk Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:58:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA32252 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA19210; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:58:34 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id JAA17985; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:57:38 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA08634 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:53:51 -0800 Received: from xmission.xmission.com (root@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA10011 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:53:51 -0800 Received: from wencor.com (root@wencor.com [207.135.128.153]) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.8/8.7.5) with ESMTP id KAA19249 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:53:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from marvin.wencor.com (marvin.wencor.com [172.16.59.1]) by wencor.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id KAA24238 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:53:46 -0700 Received: from localhost by marvin.wencor.com (8.6.14/200.17.1.3) id KAA28374; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:52:22 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:52:22 -0700 (MST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Chris Wood To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: pine 4.02a attachments abort MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Today Pine decided to start core dumping when it tried to send an attachment. "Received abort signal" and then it core dumps (as shown in the .pine-debug1 file). We've been running this version of pine for a long time (many months). The ONLY thing that has changed recently is that the infamous "mailbox vulnerable" error came back. I did a "chmod 1777 /var/mail" and the error went away. This has been the only change, but now no attachments. I searched the archive but didn't notice any solutions to this. Any ideas? (I'd upgrade to pine 4.05 but it has a bug on my platform.) -=-=-=-=-=- Chris Wood Kitco, Inc. 801-489-2097 Wencor West, Inc. [cwood@wencor.com] Durham Aircraft Services -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:53:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id OAA03654 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:53:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id OAA23463; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:52:59 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id OAA26494; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:52:08 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id OAA09286 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:48:18 -0800 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu (shiva1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.201]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id OAA18098 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:48:17 -0800 Received: from localhost (hubert@localhost) by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id OAA11847; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:48:13 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:48:12 -0800 (PST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Steve Hubert To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Selections that partially miss In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: "Adam H. Kerman" X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > > You have convinced me that matching trailing space is useful. But a more > powerful searching method would be nice that would let us use metacharacters. We're sort of stuck with the semantics of Search that exists in the IMAP protocol. In IMAP search for text strings is always a simple search for a substring match. No metacharacters. > Steve, how about introducing a method of ignoring leading "Re: " and variants? There is already a method but I guess it isn't what you want. You edit the search string and remove the Re: and variants, then the search will ignore them (since it is a substring match, not an exact match). > How about putting ^X on the submenu under ";" or at least "text"? It would save > quite a few keystrokes. You mean a shortcut to get to the current subject with a subject search command? Everybody probably has their favorite searching style and they'd want theirs on the menu. (how about a shortcut for everything arriving since the current msg, or for everything from the author of the current msg, ...) -- Steve Hubert Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:24:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA05072 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:24:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA24819; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:24:50 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id QAA02363; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:24:01 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA13436 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:20:33 -0800 Received: from chinet.com (IDENT:ahk@lagnaf-1.soho.enteract.com [216.80.30.1]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id QAA26174 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:20:32 -0800 Received: from localhost (ahk@localhost) by chinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA05504 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:19:13 -0600 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:19:13 -0600 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Adam H. Kerman" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: Selections that partially miss In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:48:12 -0800 (PST) >From: Steve Hubert >On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Adam H. Kerman wrote: >>You have convinced me that matching trailing space is useful. But a more >>powerful searching method would be nice that would let us use metacharacters. >We're sort of stuck with the semantics of Search that exists in the IMAP >protocol. In IMAP search for text strings is always a simple search for a >substring match. No metacharacters. Ah, that's interesting. I guess that also explains why searching isn't available for text strings in other messages in the same folder while paging through a message, only from the index screen. >>how about introducing a method of ignoring leading "Re: " and variants? >There is already a method but I guess it isn't what you want. You edit the >search string and remove the Re: and variants, then the search will ignore >them (since it is a substring match, not an exact match). Heh; that's what I do now. I was hoping for a better way. >>How about putting ^X on the submenu under ";" or at least "text"? It would >>save quite a few keystrokes. >You mean a shortcut to get to the current subject with a subject search >command? Everybody probably has their favorite searching style and they'd >want theirs on the menu. (how about a shortcut for everything arriving >since the current msg, or for everything from the author of the current >msg, ...) Now your talking! But since the keystrokes for Current From, Current To, and Current Subject don't duplicate other keys, it would be nice to be able to use them sooner. From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:51:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id BAA11666 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:51:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id BAA28785; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:51:23 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id BAA22183; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:51:03 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id BAA23024 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:47:57 -0800 Received: from akbar.marlboro.edu (akbar.marlboro.edu [12.6.230.2]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id BAA22621 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:47:56 -0800 Received: from localhost (lss@localhost) by akbar.marlboro.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA12836 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 04:47:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 04:47:45 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Lisa Stumph To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: sounds easy but isn't In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Hello. I'm new to the list. I've got a question about pine from the user end that someone might be able to help me with: Is it possible to edit the flags in the message index of the inbox folder? That would consist of erasing or adding "A" (answered) flags at this point, but how come that's the only flag avvailable? I'd like to be able to mark certain incoming messages with a flag so I remember to answer them later, or to ensure that they don't get erased, etc. Any ideas? Thanks. Lisa Stumph lss@marlboro.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:06:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id CAA03923 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:06:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id CAA28929; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:06:50 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id CAA12105; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:06:33 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id CAA23026 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:03:46 -0800 Received: from akbar.marlboro.edu (akbar.marlboro.edu [12.6.230.2]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id CAA12054 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:03:45 -0800 Received: from localhost (lss@localhost) by akbar.marlboro.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA12928 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:03:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:03:34 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Lisa Stumph To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: never mind. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Ok. I answered my own question. Thanks for listening though. Lisa. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:21:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id DAA12971 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:21:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id DAA29543; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:21:14 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id DAA15276; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:20:45 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id DAA31252 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:17:43 -0800 Received: from akbar.marlboro.edu (akbar.marlboro.edu [12.6.230.2]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id DAA25000 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:17:42 -0800 Received: from localhost (lss@localhost) by akbar.marlboro.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA13288 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 06:17:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 06:17:31 -0500 (EST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Lisa Stumph To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Ok. Here's one for you... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN How can I edit messages saved in my sent-mail folder without moving them and without changing their status? Lisa Stumph. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:22:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx1.cac.washington.edu (mx1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA21045 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:22:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mx1.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA01781; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:22:15 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id IAA28221; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:21:49 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id IAA16076 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:18:26 -0800 Received: from ns1.seagate.com (ns1.seagate.com [204.160.183.10]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with SMTP id IAA27318 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:18:25 -0800 Received: (from smap) by ns1.seagate.com id IAA11915; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:18:23 -0800 Received: from unknown(134.204.114.75) by ns1.seagate.com via smap (V1.3) id sma011717; Wed Dec 30 16:16:34 1998 Received: from dilbert.colo.seagate.com (dilbert.colo.seagate.com [10.30.144.100]) by auth1.seagate.com with ESMTP id IAA10202; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:16:33 -0800 Received: from dogbert.colo.seagate.com by dilbert.colo.seagate.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA01970; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:12:52 -0700 Received: from localhost by dogbert.colo.seagate.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA21101; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:11:52 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:11:52 -0700 (MST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Ajaz M. Siraj" To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: moderation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Shane Wegner X-Cc: Pine Discussion Forum X-Sender: asiraj@dogbert X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Shane Wegner wrote: > Hi, > > I am attempting to run a moderated mailing list using pine and have a > problem. My mailing list software sends a perspective message to me and I > approve it by adding an Approved: header to it. I do this with the custom > headers option. However, the bounce (b) from the message reader command > doesn't let me add a header so it doesn't keep the user's from address > when I forward. It there a clean way around this anywhere in pine? > Thanks in advance for your help. > The best way to do this is to get hold of "approve" perl script from the majordomo distribution site (assuming you are using majordomo). You should then use the "pipe command" or "|" in pine to pipe the approved post to this "approve" script. This script will automatically attach the required Approved: password at the top of the file and send it back to the mailing list for distribution. You will require a .majordomo file in your home directory with the following information: your-list@somewhere.com your-passwd majordomo@somewhere.com ====================================================================== Ajaz Siraj Seagate Technology Longmont, CO, USA From pinedev@shiva0.cac.washington.edu Sun ??? 0 00:00:00 1970 +0000 Return-Path: Received: via tmail-4.1(10) (invoked by user mailnull) for mailarch+pine-info; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:26:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mx2.cac.washington.edu (mx2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.1]) by groupfs.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA24013 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:26:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu (root@lists5.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.6]) by mx2.cac.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA16506; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:26:34 -0800 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id NAA28068; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:25:39 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA36878 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:21:20 -0800 Received: from xmission.xmission.com (root@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA22719 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:21:20 -0800 Received: from wencor.com (root@wencor.com [207.135.128.153]) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.8/8.7.5) with ESMTP id OAA04549 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:21:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from marvin.wencor.com (marvin.wencor.com [172.16.59.1]) by wencor.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id OAA30224 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:21:14 -0700 Received: from localhost by marvin.wencor.com (8.6.14/200.17.1.3) id OAA09366; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:19:52 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:19:52 -0700 (MST) Sender: PINE-INFO-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Chris Wood To: Pine Discussion Forum Subject: Re: pine 4.02a attachments abort In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Pine Discussion Forum X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN After thinking about this for awhile... I also upgraded our DG/UX operating system last weekend. Are there any sendmail or other related MTA programs that pine works with that are known to conflict? On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, Chris Wood wrote: > > Today Pine decided to start core dumping when it tried to send an > attachment. "Received abort signal" and then it core dumps (as shown in > the .pine-debug1 file). > > We've been running this version of pine for a long time (many months). > The ONLY thing that has changed recently is that the infamous "mailbox > vulnerable" error came back. I did a "chmod 1777 /var/mail" and the error > went away. This has been the only change, but now no attachments. > > I searched the archive but didn't notice any solutions to this. Any > ideas? (I'd upgrade to pine 4.05 but it has a bug on my platform.) > > > -=-=-=-=-=- > Chris Wood Kitco, Inc. > 801-489-2097 Wencor West, Inc. > [cwood@wencor.com] Durham Aircraft Services > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about this mailing list, and its archives, see: > http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > -=-=-=-=-=- Chris Wood Kitco, Inc. 801-489-2097 Wencor West, Inc. [cwood@wencor.com] Durham Aircraft Services -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-